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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited February 2010
    I love Top Gear...those guys are funny as ****
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited February 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    My '86 Toyota 4x4 came with a Panasonic, lasted much longer than yours.....incredible battery. Always made me wonder why American batteries aren't worth squat.

    Huh? I just replaced a Motorcraft battery that was serviceable but I was fearful of it dying on me after sitting in the train station parking lot in 20 degree weather this winter. It never died on me, I just wanted to do a pre-emptive strike. I was nervous because the battery was almost 9 years old and had 116,000+ miles on it. Every Motorcraft battery I've ever had has performed like that. So much so that I replaced the old Motorcraft battery with a new Motorcraft battery fresh off the rack at Echelon Ford.
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  • Jstas
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    edited February 2010
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    The problem I have with TrueDelta is that they're a paid subscription service, much like Consumer Reports. I always preferred JD Powers to the lot of them because they've been in the business for so long and because you don't have to pay to see their results.

    I do have a subscript to Consumer Reports online stuff, but I don't find the info there to be especially useful.

    What? It's free if you participate by registering your vehicle and filling out their surveys. Not a big deal IMO.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2010
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    So nobody thinks it will have an impact? I remember a year or two ago where the possibility of one of the Big 3 dying was there and people were freaking the f$ck out thinking it was going to be the end of the world or whatever and that's why we had to bail them out.

    What's different about Toyota?


    Your premise is bogus.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    edited February 2010
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    The problem I have with TrueDelta is that they're a paid subscription service, much like Consumer Reports. I always preferred JD Powers to the lot of them because they've been in the business for so long and because you don't have to pay to see their results.

    while that may be true, the manufacturers pay JD Powers to have their results published and to participate in their survey groups.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited February 2010
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Your premise is bogus.
    Excellent and thorough response.

    Your post is bogus
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited February 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    while that may be true, the manufacturers pay JD Powers to have their results published and to participate in their survey groups.
    Right, but that what we like to call a constant, as in EVERYBODY does it. If Toyota were the only ones there then you'd have a point, but all the companies pay them to be part of the survey, so that's a wash.

    Now if you wanna go conspiracy theory on me and say they're all rigged, or Toyota is buying their scores (in which case they're getting screwed because they're not even rated the highest, Buick is) then there's not much I can do to change your mind, I just have to stick you over there with all the other conspiracy theorists and know that we can't communicate with each other because anyone can claim 'Conspiracy!!!!' about really anything...
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited February 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    253k miles later... still raced, hooned around backroads, and solid as a rock.

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    238k miles when i sold her, been through two owners since, and is over 270k miles now. Solid as a rock.

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    Those remind me a lot of the Tail of the Dragon! Quite a road. Friend and I went out and drove it one afternoon.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited February 2010
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Those remind me a lot of the Tail of the Dragon! Quite a road. Friend and I went out and drove it one afternoon.

    There's a VERY good reason it reminds you of that.... ;)
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2010
    It's hard to compare the plight of Toyota having a difficult time due to recalls and mfg issues vs the US big three. Toyota while affected by the world wide recession, is not having to deal with a severe national (Japan) economic and financial crisis. The failure of Ford, GM or Chrysler and their impact were part of a much larger economic/financial crisis and therefore failure by one or more of those entities would have a more profound impact on the big picture. As it stands today, a failure of Toyota would hurt the Japanese economy, but Japan could probably absorb the failure and go on. There were question/fears as to the ripple effect of the failure of one of the automakers or big financial institutions in the US. Unfortunately those fears were warranted IMO, especially for the financial intuitions. A failure of an automaker of would have been workable if they had been allowed to go in to an orderly reorganization bankruptcy/ restructure or if there had been a “white knight” waiting in the wings to purchase the pieces and start over after a liquidation bankruptcy.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2010
    audiobliss wrote:
    Those remind me a lot of the Tail of the Dragon! Quite a road. Friend and I went out and drove it one afternoon.
    concealer404 wrote:
    There's a VERY good reason it reminds you of that.... ;)

    That, of course, is because Killboy is a photographer on the Dragon. He may do some other work but the Dragon is his primary source of business. He has taken my picture MANY times.

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, there's quite a few of me on there, too. :D
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited February 2010
    Makes sense shack, appreciate the response
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited February 2010
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    while that may be true, the manufacturers pay JD Powers to have their results published and to participate in their survey groups.

    Right, but that what we like to call a constant, as in EVERYBODY does it.

    That's not a constant. In fact, your entire statement is an Appeal to Common Practice and it's based on your incorrect definition of a constant. It's a fallacy based on a fallacy which is also yet another fallacy.

    Also, the fact that you are trying to discredit a source by stating that TrueDelta's results and work are not sufficient because you have to pay to use the site and then pointing out how great J.D. Powers is, another site you have to pay for is a fallacy of analogy and a fallacy of "poisoning the well".

    You gotta come up with a better argument than that.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited February 2010
    If Toyota dies I think we will have missed out making money on TM stock. Monday it was 78.80 and closed at 74.71 today, they were up $2.93 today
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited February 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    There's a VERY good reason it reminds you of that.... ;)
    shack wrote: »
    That, of course, is because Killboy is a photographer on the Dragon. He may do some other work but the Dragon is his primary source of business. He has taken my picture MANY times.

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    Cool, did not know that! I think it'd be nice to take another trip out there. Pretty fun sequence of squiggles drawn in that asphalt! :D
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited February 2010
    Jstas wrote: »
    That's not a constant. In fact, your entire statement is an Appeal to Common Practice and it's based on your incorrect definition of a constant. It's a fallacy based on a fallacy which is also yet another fallacy.

    Also, the fact that you are trying to discredit a source by stating that TrueDelta's results and work are not sufficient because you have to pay to use the site and then pointing out how great J.D. Powers is, another site you have to pay for is a fallacy of analogy and a fallacy of "poisoning the well".

    You gotta come up with a better argument than that.
    What? The JD Powers results are out there for anyone to see, you don't have to pay for them. Go find all those links I've posted with results in the past and show me which ones you have to pay to view, I think they're actually In this thread.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2010
    audiobliss wrote:
    Pretty fun sequence of squiggles drawn in that asphalt! :D

    Ya think......

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    Check our mile marker 4.8. Killboy even has a corner named for him.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited February 2010
    How about this, I've never heard of truedelta, and JD Powers is very well respected and doing this for decades...
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  • zarrdoss
    zarrdoss Posts: 2,562
    edited February 2010
    I sure as hell miss mine!

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    I don't think Toyota will be going anywhere anytime soon, and I would buy an older one again in a heartbeat.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2010
    Toyota problems are a gas pedal that could stick at some time and a braking system that pulses the pedal when droping from highway speed hitting bumps.

    With that said does anyone remember the types of problems the big three has had?

    Does the Ford explorer tire problem ring a bell? Maybe the Ford wiring catching on fire in the engine compartment? Maybe the older Mustang gas tanks which exploded into the passenger compartment because it was a two piece design where the top of the tank was actually the floor of the back of the car? Pinto tank problems? I had a bunch of Chevy problems in mind too but forgot what they were.

    I'll take a chance on the Toyota class problems over the others any day. :)
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,383
    edited February 2010
    Picking a car that you are going to drive for the next 3/5/10 years based upon any data other than your **** in the drivers seat is like picking an amp or speakers without listening to them first...

    I do not place any value on the hype, marketing, or what others tell me. If I like the way it looks I will drive it several times in different conditions and without a salesperson parroting in my ear his opinions. Then I will do the same with the others I might like. Once narrowed down to a couple of choices, then I will take into account the reputation of the brand and it's history. The last time, Jaguar won. The wife owes me a Ferrari next.:D;)
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited February 2010
    Toyota will be around for a very long time. Having ties to two dealerships and a service garage, I can assure you of this.
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited February 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    Toyota problems are a gas pedal that could stick at some time and a braking system that pulses the pedal when droping from highway speed hitting bumps.

    With that said does anyone remember the types of problems the big three has had?

    Does the Ford explorer tire problem ring a bell? Maybe the Ford wiring catching on fire in the engine compartment? Maybe the older Mustang gas tanks which exploded into the passenger compartment because it was a two piece design where the top of the tank was actually the floor of the back of the car? Pinto tank problems? I had a bunch of Chevy problems in mind too but forgot what they were.

    I'll take a chance on the Toyota class problems over the others any day. :)

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  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
    edited February 2010
    The Japanese government will not allow Toyota to fail. Sound familiar? This fiasco they are dealing with could prompt Toyota to get back to basics and actually match or reearn the reputation they have been living on.

    I do have some suspicions as to how the media and congress have latched on to this. The populist movement is growing in this country and as one of our leaders has said, "never waste a crisis" feeds right into the hands of Government Motors.

    I'm a cynic at heart so excuse my rant!

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  • mini-me
    mini-me Posts: 70
    edited February 2010
    I had a dream last night about this. I saw a Japanese weirdo with crazy outfit popped out from nowhere and said "I am Hira Nakamura and I come from the Future. I have a message for you. Toyata is facing current situation due to employing previously laid off Engineers and Designers from GM and Ford 3 years ago. But don't worry! The current crisis will be over when Toyata becomes Toyada again. Toyada will eliminate the gas paddles from all vehicles and use Volume Knob as an Accelerator. There will never be a Stuck Pedal ever again. Keep your trust in Toyada and the Volume Knob Accelerator in the future." And then he puffed and disappeared.

    I snapped a picture of that future weirdo in my dream.
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  • justsomarvelous
    justsomarvelous Posts: 13
    edited February 2010
    the day toyota fails is also the day there are other major crisis out there
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited February 2010
    Toyota's not going anywhere. Japan LEARNED their lesson from the 'lost decade'.

    Too bad we REFUSE to.:mad:
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