Denon DL-160

Toolfan66
Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
edited January 2010 in 2 Channel Audio
Anybody know the PF setting for this cart. I have it set at 150 on my phono pre but I can't find any info on the PF for this cart.

Thanks.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2010
    PF? I have the cartridge myself and have never heard that term
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited January 2010
    Pico fared
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2010
    got me on that one Bro... now I will loose sleep tonight until I get an answer.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    Did you look at the manual on vinylengine ?

    I have a 160 but my cambridge 640p does not have any switches to set.

    How do you like the Jolida 9A ?
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    Never mind, the manual does not have it.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2010
    The Denon DL-l60 ($115) is a high-output moving-coil cartridge designed to be connected directly to the phono input of any amplifier without using a step-up transformer or head amplifier. The winding resistance of the coils is 160 ohms per channel, but the cartridge load is specified as 47,000 ohms or greater. Like most moving-coil cartridges, the DL-160 does not have a user-replaceable stylus. Its rated output is 1.6 millivolts (mV), and the recommended tracking force is 1.3 to 1.9 grams. The diamond stylus tip has a rectangular cross section and a special elliptical shape.

    The DL- 160 is housed in a black, molded-plastic case with an integral hinged stylus guard. The relatively low total cartridge weight of 4.8 grams is within the adjustment range of most tonearms (ours balanced with its counterweight nearly all the way forward). An extra metal weight is supplied that, when mourned between the cartridge and the headshell, will allow it to be balanced in almost any arm. The supplied overhang-adjustment gauge contains a magnifying section for stylus inspection, and a stylus cleaning brush is also supplied.

    Hope this helps...
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    Is it possible to derive the capacitance by the output impedance ?
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited January 2010
    thsmith wrote: »
    Did you look at the manual on vinylengine ?

    I have a 160 but my cambridge 640p does not have any switches to set.

    How do you like the Jolida 9A ?

    I love it. But I would like to do the cap upgrade.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2010
    I am finding 200-280 pf being tossed about but I don't feel those numbers are 100%
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  • Bubinga99
    Bubinga99 Posts: 283
    edited January 2010
    I measured it at 132pF on my DL160 so your 150pF setting is fine.
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited January 2010
    I seem to recall 150 being the recommended setting but I couldn't tell you where I know that from, however, my Carver C-1 allows for capacitance tuning and I think it worked best on the 100 pf setting when using the mm input but the difference was almost negligible. I have found capacitance tuning to have a bigger effect on moving magnet cartridges.It sounded better in my opinion when using the mc input even though the cartridge is a high output mc.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    I love it. But I would like to do the cap upgrade.

    I kinda have the fever to upgrade phono stages and the Jolida is the one I keep coming back to.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Capcitance loading to an MM cartridge is as important as resistive loading is to MC carts. The closer you can get to the manufacturers recommedation the better it will sound. I'm surprised that most MM phono pre's don't offer a wider selection of cap. settings. My phono pre offers a half dozen settings and custom settings for both resistance & capacitance loading for MC & MMs respectively.
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  • doctor r
    doctor r Posts: 837
    edited January 2010
    The DL-160 is a high output Moving Coil and does not respond to capacitance variations vary much (in my experiance). I was able with my older AES PH-1 to adust the loading some and it did smooth out the DL160s highs a little with 22,000 ohms as aposed to the normal MM input of 47,000 ohms though the voltage output is correct for a MM input on the pre.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Doctor R wrote: »
    The DL-160 is a high output Moving Coil and does not respond to capacitance variations vary much (in my experiance). I was able with my older AES PH-1 to adust the loading some and it did smooth out the DL160s highs a little with 22,000 ohms as aposed to the normal MM input of 47,000 ohms though the voltage output is correct for a MM input on the pre.

    Can't argue with experience.:)
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