Darkness Falls - Hella Bass

Dr. Spec

OK, so it's a grade B corny horror movie that got majorly panned, but talk about hellacious bass!

Mini-Review: A few scary moments and pretty good special effects and the story line was kinda unique, but the movie was predictable. 6.5/10

I played it at 9 clicks under true Reference Level (i.e., Master Volume 00 with Avia 85 dB) with the sub calibrated 4 dB hot.

I thought my house was going to collapse when the cop drove his truck through the wall of the building. I can't believe the driver didn't bottom - must have hit 114-115 dB on that scene.

Pretty awesome bass throughout and I recommend it for horror loving bass heads out there (Scott Vamp).

Doc

VR3

I need a new DVD Player, I get semi loud bass. My bass is really weak through DVD's since my DVD player only does 40-44, but it shook my entire room also, not no 115 db, but it was loud. I thought the movie was one of a kind, although I thought when

*maybe* a spoiler ahead*



the woman swooped down and took the dudes, it looked like they were on a string and then quickly taken back. However it was freaky though anyways, I thought it was a 6.5/10 also. Nothing specail.........

Dr. Spec

MX - don't be afraid to up the master volume on DVDs. They are typically much quieter than FM or TV, or 2 channel sources.

Doc

VR3

LOL! I play DVD's at MAX volume that I can take. The bass just isnt strong with my DVD Player.....

scottvamp

What in the hell does the volume of bass have to do with a dvd player itself????

VR3

THE DVD PLAYER only reaches down to 40hz! Hello mcfly, if you didn't know the less bass exstention it has, the LESS bass it has! In other words, if any bass is 39hz or less, I CANT HEAR IT! OR FEEL IT! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU AWAKE???????????????????? Ok, done with my sarcasim of the day, move on.
Its like a receiver that only does 40-20, the bass response is VERY weak on it. Just like a receiver, a DVD player does the same, it only sends a signal of 40-44hz instead of 20-44hz. So the bass is overall VERY weak.

scottvamp

That is a hard one to chew Mx - there is a standard dynamic range on almost all DVD players. You must really have one piece of work there. I have never even heard of a CD player that has a "modified" range of sound. But hey what ever - then there is always the LFE. It defies the very point of dvd.

VR3

Scott, go to crutchfield. Look at specs, most DVD players 300 and under have a FR of 40-44, JVC, and some others have 20-44.

scottvamp

Hmmmmmm - there is always LFE but i will have to check this out.

VR3

LFE, isnt LFE bass? What the sheat does LFE have to do what signal the DVD player is sending??????????/

scottvamp

Your freaking killing me Mx - you have weak bass - then use the freaking LFE to your sub. And I have been playing around with ya.
Now liked we talked about stop showing your stupidity. DVD players have what is called a DAC Video and D/A for audio bassed on a BIT - Learn it Mx. There is not a shortened range of frequency - you would be missing huge gaps in audio frequency.
Mx just quit now - your being Punk'ed.

VR3

Originally posted by scottvamp
Your freaking killing me Mx - you have weak bass - then use the freaking LFE to your sub. And I have been playing around with ya.
Now liked we talked about stop showing your stupidity. DVD players have what is called a DAC Video and D/A for audio bassed on a BIT - Learn it Mx. There is not a shortened range of frequency - you would be missing huge gaps in audio frequency.
Mx just quit now - your being Punk'ed.

Whatever, your speaking gibberish, I know ZERO about video, VCR, and DVD Players, TVs, I don't care to learn about them either. All I know is that my Bass is weak on DVDs! Use the LFE to my Subwoofer, like the output on the back of my receiver? Ello, that is what I use! The bass is WEAK! HELLO! Are you illiterate?????? Anyway, is there a way (since you seem to know it all) to make my bass stronger, since its all bits, and dacs, and junk alike? So your saying that all the sudden the FR of electronic components mean ZERO? all I have learned...its a lie...................a lie.................*sigh* So your saying thoughs POS sony receivers with a 40-20 FR will have a full range sound? Or that my DVD player ($140 Pioneer) compared to my Dad's $500 pioneer will be no different? Infact there is a HUGE difference! My dad's bass is strong, 20-44hz! My BASSS??????????????/ WEAK! WHY? 40-44! Even doc didnt disagree with me! Leave me alone! YOUR CONFUSING ME!

pjdami

Mx,

Are you sure that's a 40 and not a 4 Hz on the low side? I have never seen a DVD / CD player that doesn't at least do 20 Hz on the low side. There are tape decks that do that.

Check the settings on your DVD player too. You may have something called Dynamic Range disabled which quiets your system for nightime viewing.

Also are you using digital Coax or Optical out from your DVD player to your PE. Big difference in Dynamic Range over analog.

PJ.

scottvamp

Nice come back Mx - frequency responce deals in amps and speakers. Software has its top and bottom end most cd's and dvd's have frequency ranges that most speakers are not even capable of.
Anyway as long as Dr. Spec did not correct you - i'm just an idiot.
People put up with you like an annoying bug. I respect your interest in this hobbie but you have alot to learn and growing up to do. RESPECT!!!!

ChrisDurano

When you say 40-44. Is that hz or khz? I'm not sure I quite understand this debate you guys are having. I do understand Pjdami though, and I think all DVD players should have a frequency response at least to the limits of the human ear (20hz-22 khz). Am I right?

Dr. Spec

Originally posted by scottvamp
Nice come back Mx - frequency responce deals in amps and speakers. Software has its top and bottom end most cd's and dvd's have frequency ranges that most speakers are not even capable of.
Anyway as long as Dr. Spec did not correct you - i'm just an idiot.
People put up with you like an annoying bug. I respect your interest in this hobbie but you have alot to learn and growing up to do. RESPECT!!!!

Jumping back into this thread late. Scott - I've tried with Sid, I really have. And he IS frustrating. And once again he "opens mouth and inserts foot" by jumping to conclusions about his DVD player that have absolutely no technical merit whatsoever.

Sid - your DVD player (if it truly is one) should do at least Dolby Digital - even the $50 ones do that. You are getting poor bass from your DVD player, it's because it is set-up wrong, or you are using analog cables, or you are not bitstreaming the signal, or there are dynamic compression modes enabled on it, or on your PE.

Why don't you tell us exactly how your DVD player is set-up and connected, and Scott will tell you how to get awesome bass from it since he's feeling particularly philanthropic, OK?

Doc

VR3

Originally posted by scottvamp
RESPECT!!!!

I lost respect for you the first day you replyed to me. Goodbye.

Doc, My DVD Player is hooked up AV cord, I am not sure of any setting I have on the PE pertaining to the DVD Player and what could cause it to be compressed, it was like this with the Yamaha also. I am not sure, I will look over it when I get back from school and tell you what I see. Doc, I did jump to conclusions, however what you and Scott seem to miss is the fact Mr Smart@$$ not only went along with my *conclusion* that was wrong by the way, but he then sat here and made more dumb@$$ comments, and you wonder why I was rude in my replys. People like scott get on my nerves, they dont correct people, they annoy them, then give them wrong information, then later on decide to correct them. If it is up to scott to give me the right information then I will just hire someone to do it. I will probally get it done right and better, because I am sure in all acounts Scott is going to lead me down a wrong lane.

Chris, 40(low freqency)-44(high)

Dr. Spec

Sid:

Configure the DVD player for bitstream audio output. The manual or on screen menu will tell you how to do this.

Then connect a digital coax cable from the digital audio out on the DVD player to a digital audio in on the PE (there are probably a few, pick whichever one you want to correspond to the DVD player).

If the DVD player has a Dolby Digital Midnight Mode or a dynamic range compression circuit, make sure it is shut off. Ditto for the PE (check the manual).

If you configure everything properly, the DVD player will send the PE a bitstreamed digital signal containing all six discrete channels (i.e., 5.1). The ".1" is the LFE channel where most of the bass power comes from in DVDs.

The PE will automatically detect and decode this signal and send it to the appropriate speakers, including the subwoofer.

Since you have all the speaks set to small, the PE will send the M&K the LFE channel, and also any bass from the other 5 channels below 100 Hz. The M&K will get a real workout in this manner, so be careful on the hot DVDs - they can blow a sub quickly if you push it hard.

You should get mondo bass from any DVD player (even a cheap one) if it is properly configured.

Good luck and let us know how it went. BTW a pretty decent starter grade digital coax cable will run you $15-$20 at Radio Shack.

Doc

scottvamp

I am not on this site to hear from 13 year old stupid disrespecting kids. That can't even take good advise. I'm the one with the reference quality 1000watt HT. I see you are just going to stick around and play kids games so I will be leaving - it is time I move on anyway.

PETERNG

I'm stay out of this one, Doc, thanx for going an extra mile... you're the man...

VR3

Thanx Doc, thats on my to buy list. Will report back when I purchase it (who knows when that will be though).

Scott, dont expect respect that you never earned or I intend to give you. I would take your advice, but the way you are (sarcastic 99.99% of the time) who in the world could take you seriously? Not me. Goodbye.

By the way Scott, Im 14. , Also - Im not stupid. Second, I only disrespect the ones that disrespect me, or annoy me. Also, I am one, not two, so 14 year old stupid direspectful KID, not KIDS. If you didn't notice, I am not disrespectful to anyone on this forum that dosn't annoy me.

Doc, I found one problem, the Receiver had COAX turned on with the DVD. Could this have caused a problem?

Dr. Spec

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3

Doc, I found one problem, the Receiver had COAX turned on with the DVD. Could this have caused a problem?

Exactly how is the audio output from the DVD player connected to the receiver?

PETERNG

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3

Doc, I found one problem, the Receiver had COAX turned on with the DVD. Could this have caused a problem?

This sounds strange to me, on your previous post, sounds like you connect the analog audio cables from your DVD to your receiver. Now you indicate that you're using coax digital connection? MX, does your DVD player have both coax and optical digital outputs or it only has one of the two? And which one did you use to connect your DVD player to your receiver? If you connect coax to coax, then you're fine, if you connect optical to optical then you're in business, but you must have one of these proper digital cable to handle the connection. Your receiver should be able to detect the digital signal from your DVD player and then its DD and DTS decoder will handle the rest to sending signal to all of your speakers including the sub.

Sorry Doc for jumpping in.

ChrisDurano

I think MX has his receiver's digital coax input set for DVD, but he doesn't have it hooked up yet between the two. Its probably just assigned to the DVD.

Dr. Spec

Originally posted by PETERNG Sorry Doc for jumpping in.

No apology needed. Sometimes you just want to transport yourself over there a la Star Trek and evaluate and correct in 30 seconds what takes hours/days on the forum.

Sid hasn't answered yet - but the only way he can get sound from all his speakers is with a true DD/DTS bitstream into a coax or optical input, or a two channel analog input where the PE expands it to fake 5 channel. Obviously, the former is the preferred method.

Doc

VR3

DVD Player VIA: AV Cords
the receiver setting were set to COAX though.

Sorry for the delayed response, just got home from skool

Dr. Spec

Sid:

EXACTLY, what outputs on the DVD player to what inputs on the PE? List each wire if there is more than one.

Also, what do you set the PE on to get sound on DVDs.

VR3

Ok, Power cord, Video Cable, L/R AV Cables. I use the PE DVD player inputs. I set the DVD on (regular) Dolby Pro Logic II

pjdami

Mx,

It sounds like you just have analog cables from your DVD player to your PE. You need to get a digital coaxial cable and run it from the back of your DVD player to your receiver. Then you can have your receiver on Coax. You can get a decent Philips coax cable from Wal Mart for $8. Monster makes one that's about $20.

For now try using the analog setting (instead of Coax) on your receiver for DVD until you can get a digital cable. You should be amazed at how much more dynamic the sound will be with digital over analog.

P.

p.s. if you still have the digital camera take a picture of the back of your DVD player for us.

p.p.s. dude bust out that PE owners manual and look at the setup pictures page. I know it may be some "homework" but man the reward will make you smile; you've been missing out on the full potential of your new setup.

ChrisDurano

I use Monster's Video2 RCA (not digital coax) cable. It works great and is just $25.

VR3

Thanx for all the replys and advice, I will purchase a digital coax sometime this year. Right now, I need 2 amps, a center, and a center cabinet. I have 7 months to do it in. lol.