In Wall center channel

dfranks
dfranks Posts: 207
edited January 2010 in Wanted (WTB) Classifieds
Due to space constraints, (Moving Plasma over F/P) I do not have room for my 6 month old beautifull A-6. However, I would like to purchase an in wall center channel for this luxurious location. Something like the LSI or RTS series.
I would be willing to do a a trade plus cash ( on my part) fo the A-6, or I could go cash outright.
Your choice.

thanks in advance.
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  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited January 2010
    it has only been 2 minutes...hehe

    You might want to rethink these questions:
    1) Are you going under or over the TV?
    2) How are you going to aim a built-in center?
    Couple of things to think about....
    At Least with the CSiA6 you can build a shelf and down direct it towards the listening area.
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    kcoc321 wrote: »
    it has only been 2 minutes...hehe

    You might want to rethink these questions:
    1) Are you going under or over the TV?
    2) How are you going to aim a built-in center?
    Couple of things to think about....
    At Least with the CSiA6 you can build a shelf and down direct it towards the listening area.

    If I centre my Plasma, between the ceiling and the top of my f/p, I end up with 9" above and below the plasma.

    Building a shelf a min 16" at either above of below would not look so good, and I am pretty sure my wife won't go for it.

    So if I was to raise the TV a tad and put the in-wall underneath the plasma I would be right at eye level so aiming wouldn't be an issue.

    I love the A-6 and would like to use it over anything else but I don't think I can make it work because of my plasma size.

    Sorry for the long response, and thanks for the feedback
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    bump bump bumparoonie
  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited January 2010
    I guess I am the only one reading your post....

    You said if you raise the TV a tad the center would be at eye level.
    You must be talking about eye level when standing, not sitting. When sitting your eye height would be around 32' to 36" above the floor, so I guess I don't see how the center location you are proposing could be at eye height, unless you are REALLY tall or your fireplace is really short. How high it it to the top of your Fireplace?

    Also, have you checked how close you can place it to a fireplace? Some manufacturers will add a note regarding placing a TV over a FP.....

    Sorry IF I am being dense, just trying to picture what you have going, so that I, or someone can assist you.

    You also might want to consider the viewing location and the angle from your eye to the center of the TV. That is why I was thinking about over vs a built-in, under the TV.

    When we put in my Brother's TV in over his FP, we placed the TV as low as possible, to reduce the angle. Even so, it is a bit of an angle to watch for very long. Course we had a full mantle over the FP, so maybe your's is different.
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    My F/P is 51" from the floor and my Ceiling HT is 96" that leaves me 45" for spacing.

    Take off 30" for the plasma, and that leaves 9" for above and below for spacing to allow for the CC.
    If I raise the plasma a tad bit around 2-3" that will give a relatively nice border between the the tv and F/P for a CC.

    This will put the CC at or around sitting eye/ear level or at the least much better than having it above.

    I am building the wall out 4" so there will be a good face return to the F/P insert so that it will dissapate heat similar to a mantel but without actually using one.

    Again I would love to use my A-6 I just won't have the depth for it in the install, without it looking poorly. by using brackets etc.

    Unless you have a better idea? Thanks for your feedback.
  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited January 2010
    First, you might want to check your math. You actually have 15" total, or 7 1/2" on each side of the plasma. Based on the size of the LCi-C, you would want to move the TV up 3".

    When you said you are building out the wall, I am assuming just the Fireplace 'Mantle.

    I sketched up what you have said is your layout. Hope that helps.

    I hope some of the HT Guru's here will be motivated to advise you.
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    kcoc321 wrote: »
    First, you might want to check your math. You actually have 15" total, or 7 1/2" on each side of the plasma. Based on the size of the LCi-C, you would want to move the TV up 3".

    When you said you are building out the wall, I am assuming just the Fireplace 'Mantle.

    I sketched up what you have said is your layout. Hope that helps.

    I hope some of the HT Guru's here will be motivated to advise you.

    Wow,all I can say is thanks for your effort. You are right about my math.

    The f/p has a 12' high hearth ( which I have just removed). The f/p has never had a mantle and I am not so keen on building one.

    I have built out the entire face of the f/p wall so that the f/p is recessed into the original wall approx 4". This will aid in heat transfer and eliminate the need for a mantle,( so I won't cook my plasma).

    My idea is... to look at installing a cc below the F/P and angle it up so that it may point right at the listeners ear, hopefully this will clean up the install as well.

    See my link for a picture.
    http://www.facebook.com/#/photo.php?pid=5070851&id=677945445
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    dfranks wrote: »
    Wow,all I can say is thanks for your effort. You are right about my math.

    The f/p has a 12' high hearth ( which I have just removed). The f/p has never had a mantle and I am not so keen on building one.

    I have built out the entire face of the f/p wall so that the f/p is recessed into the original wall approx 4". This will aid in heat transfer and eliminate the need for a mantle,( so I won't cook my plasma).

    My idea is... to look at installing a cc below the F/P and angle it up so that it may point right at the listeners ear, hopefully this will clean up the install as well.

    See my link for a picture.
    http://www.facebook.com/#/photo.php?pid=5070851&id=677945445

    I know this is a change from what I was originally thinking but after I tore the F/P apart the other night, I started thinking..... which is very dangerous;)
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    Keeping it on track... still for sale or trade.
  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited January 2010
    Nope, Link doesn't open...

    Are you also going to recess the Plasma? if it is sticking out from the face of the new wall, the heat will rise right up into it. That's why I thought you were building out the FP face, so the Plasma would be behind the heat flow.

    The Center below the FP sounds like a better option, sonically, but I have not heard one.
    Hopefully it will also allow you to get the TV down alittle too. I actually like it when the FP is raised up off the floor, you can actually see it.

    What style is your Room?
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    L/R is 15'X15' rectangle shape, with a set of open stairs, and several other doors leading to other rooms. Not a perfect setup.

    I will have to recess the plasma, I am sure after reading your post and then going and looking at it. This pic is without the plasma recess but with the F/P recess
  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited January 2010
    That looks like just a gas FP? That might make it easier.
    Are there vents on the front top of the unit?

    Depending on how hot it gets, You 'MIGHT' be able to get away without recessing it.
    I would check with your model manual. I know when I mounted by Sisters, Panny recommended recessing it, so I creatred a niche using cabinets on each side.

    Some of the newer ones may not, depends on your gas FP.

    If it is wood burning, then the TV definitely need to be protected from the heat.

    On a aside, regarding 'code' issues, the flue needs to be in a seperate, firetaped chased. That is sealed at the floor of the niche/ ceiling of the box around the FP, and at the ceiling. You also want to protect that beam.
  • dfranks
    dfranks Posts: 207
    edited January 2010
    kcoc321 wrote: »
    That looks like just a gas FP? That might make it easier.
    Are there vents on the front top of the unit?

    Depending on how hot it gets, You 'MIGHT' be able to get away without recessing it.
    I would check with your model manual. I know when I mounted by Sisters, Panny recommended recessing it, so I creatred a niche using cabinets on each side.

    Some of the newer ones may not, depends on your gas FP.

    If it is wood burning, then the TV definitely need to be protected from the heat.

    On a aside, regarding 'code' issues, the flue needs to be in a seperate, firetaped chased. That is sealed at the floor of the niche/ ceiling of the box around the FP, and at the ceiling. You also want to protect that beam.

    Not here. The flue that they use is in a double wall pipe with mineral wool insulation, with a fire, damper installed in the pipe. The wall of the niche is an exterior wall, Exterior walls are not to be F/R unless a building adjuts this house or is closer than 30'

    Firetape is not considered by the ULC as a fire rating anymore, however it is considered a smoke and sound rating only. The firetape has been replaced by the fire caulk, and that is Not to be used in single dwelling homes.

    I am in the building industry, (20+ years) I manage the building of high rise towers, specifically the steel stud framing and drywall installation.

    I won't have to recess the plasma due to the upper fan venting the inset uses, BUT thanks to you my wife likes the look.:D