Receiver has no amp pre-outs

Snowdogyyz
Snowdogyyz Posts: 37
edited January 2010 in Electronics
I have an H/K AVR 1600 that has no amp pre-outs. I believe you have to buy the 3600 model to get them, which is significantly more expensive. Is there a way to add an external amp without amp pre-outs? I'd love to power my RTi-A7's with an external amp. Is there a way to get around this or is getting a new receiver the only option?
Denon 4311CI
Emotiva XPA-3
Oppo BDP-83
Polk RTiA7 fronts
Polk CSiA6 center
Polk FXiA6 surrounds
Polk PSW505 sub

Harman Kardon HK3490
Monitor 70
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited January 2010
    Snowdogyyz wrote: »
    I have an H/K AVR 1600 that has no amp pre-outs. I believe you have to buy the 3600 model to get them, which is significantly more expensive. Is there a way to add an external amp without amp pre-outs? I'd love to power my RTi-A7's with an external amp. Is there a way to get around this or is getting a new receiver the only option?

    You could use one of the outputs on your AVR, such as tape out, and get an integrated amp instead of just a power amp by hooking the tape out from your AVR to the tape input on the integrated amp.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • raidersrule76
    raidersrule76 Posts: 471
    edited January 2010
    or sell your 1600 and use the money to find a good used one that has pre outs. There is plenty of decent used stuff out there you just have to find it.

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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2010
    There is no way to do it and still get the good sound quality you desire. Sell it off and buy another one.
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  • louhamilton
    louhamilton Posts: 209
    edited January 2010
    You can get receivers with pre-outs for less than $500. The Yamaha 663 (if you can still find one) was going for around $330 on Amazon right before Christmas. You do not need to go into the thousands of dollars to get this feature/function.
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  • MANSKITO
    MANSKITO Posts: 295
    edited January 2010
    Dude let me help you out on ebay i just bought a HK 325 which has pre outs for 160 even.

    Also on ebay there selling A LOT of the AVRs 247 which has HDMI if your into that.

    both those models have pre-outs and sound KICK ****.

    My avr 325 sounds NIGHT and DAY better then my old Yamaha RX-V463. So much better that i may not even need to add in an amp : P (will do it any way.)

    Check out Ebay Harmon Kardon sells all there refurbs there just like Polk and they come to your house Like NEW.

    My advice would be to stay with the Harmon Kardon brand I've heard most of the other brands and H/k is now on my short list.
    Monitor 60s, CS10 front
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    PSW10:(

    H/k AVR 325
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    Sennheiser HD 650s :D
    Maverick Audio Tube Magic D1 DAC

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  • Snowdogyyz
    Snowdogyyz Posts: 37
    edited January 2010
    MANSKITO wrote: »
    Dude let me help you out on ebay i just bought a HK 325 which has pre outs for 160 even.

    Also on ebay there selling A LOT of the AVRs 247 which has HDMI if your into that.

    both those models have pre-outs and sound KICK ****.

    My avr 325 sounds NIGHT and DAY better then my old Yamaha RX-V463. So much better that i may not even need to add in an amp : P (will do it any way.)

    Check out Ebay Harmon Kardon sells all there refurbs there just like Polk and they come to your house Like NEW.

    My advice would be to stay with the Harmon Kardon brand I've heard most of the other brands and H/k is now on my short list.

    That's what I was wondering. I love the H/K sound. I've had other brands, but the H/K just has something pleasing to my ears. I may go for a 247 since I like to do HDMI switching. I have an H/K AVR 254 that is excellent, but a little outdated (no hdmi).

    Thanks everyone for the input!
    Denon 4311CI
    Emotiva XPA-3
    Oppo BDP-83
    Polk RTiA7 fronts
    Polk CSiA6 center
    Polk FXiA6 surrounds
    Polk PSW505 sub

    Harman Kardon HK3490
    Monitor 70
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  • MANSKITO
    MANSKITO Posts: 295
    edited January 2010
    Snowdogyyz wrote: »
    That's what I was wondering. I love the H/K sound. I've had other brands, but the H/K just has something pleasing to my ears. I may go for a 247 since I like to do HDMI switching. I have an H/K AVR 254 that is excellent, but a little outdated (no hdmi).

    Thanks everyone for the input!

    I m not sure how much you have used Ebay but just a warning don't get caught up in getting THAT ONE, theres always more and if you get caught in a biding war you will end paying more then you should of or wanted too.

    Just give it time took me a week to win a bid but it saved almost $50 cash.
    Monitor 60s, CS10 front
    Monitor 40s, back
    PSW10:(

    H/k AVR 325
    Sansui Tape Deck
    Pioneer PD-5010 CD player

    Sennheiser HD 650s :D
    Maverick Audio Tube Magic D1 DAC

    AMD Phenom II 940 @ 3.8 prime stabel
    4 gigs 1066, cas 5
    XFX 4890 1gig
    Seagate 1tb 7200.12
    Creative X-fI Titanium Fatal1ty
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  • rcrook317
    rcrook317 Posts: 280
    edited January 2010
    MANSKITO wrote: »
    Dude let me help you out on ebay i just bought a HK 325 which has pre outs for 160 even.

    Also on ebay there selling A LOT of the AVRs 247 which has HDMI if your into that.

    both those models have pre-outs and sound KICK ****.

    My avr 325 sounds NIGHT and DAY better then my old Yamaha RX-V463. So much better that i may not even need to add in an amp : P (will do it any way.)

    Check out Ebay Harmon Kardon sells all there refurbs there just like Polk and they come to your house Like NEW.

    My advice would be to stay with the Harmon Kardon brand I've heard most of the other brands and H/k is now on my short list.

    couldnt agree more! i bought hk 354 w/ hdmi,upscaling and preouts for 300 bucks,from their ebay store,arrived looking brand-new!
    fronts=rti12s(cherry)
    center=csi3(cherry)
    sub=psw125(cherry)
    emotiva xpa-2
    harmon kardon 354
    sony cdp
    ipod 8gb
    audioquest diamondback 1m
    "Maesto" straightwire cables
    pangea ac-9
    playstation3/120gb=blu-ray/media server
    monitor=lg 55inch lcd(1080p)
    TT Set-up=Pro-Ject RM 1.3
    Kenwood Phono
    bren1 Clamp
    Herbies Slipmat

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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited January 2010
    Or look for an used Carver Z1 coupler
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  • domflane
    domflane Posts: 653
    edited January 2010
    Snowdog, check your other Harman, if it's an HK AVR 254, then it definately has preouts and HDMI. This is a very nice receiver and what I would look into getting if I were in your situation. HK's make very nice pre-amps. Welcome to the club.
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    Polk RTA 15TL - Harman Kardon HK3485 - HK DVD48 - Signal Cable IC's and speaker cables
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  • Snowdogyyz
    Snowdogyyz Posts: 37
    edited January 2010
    domflane wrote: »
    Snowdog, check your other Harman, if it's an HK AVR 254, then it definately has preouts and HDMI. This is a very nice receiver and what I would look into getting if I were in your situation. HK's make very nice pre-amps. Welcome to the club.

    Yeah, I had a brain **** on the model number. My old one is a 225 (no hdmi). I'm checking out the harman ebay store and waiting for the right one at the right price. Thanks for all the help!
    Denon 4311CI
    Emotiva XPA-3
    Oppo BDP-83
    Polk RTiA7 fronts
    Polk CSiA6 center
    Polk FXiA6 surrounds
    Polk PSW505 sub

    Harman Kardon HK3490
    Monitor 70
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