McGwire Admits to Using Steroids
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The WCW (acknowledged heirs of Barnum & Bailey "schtick") on a little trip to St. Louis, Mo and their personal tribute to Mark McGwire.
(this is also proof that Vince McMahon has earned a spot in heaven
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"Big Poppa Pump" and his sidekick, Buff Bagwell: a couple of 'roided freaks, to be sure.
Mark McJuicer: ditto.
The difference between them ?
The WCW/WWE is correctly labeled as "sports entertainment".
Major League baseball is correctly labeled as a "Sport".
Or should be. It used to be.Sal Palooza -
WesKParker wrote: »I wasn't talking about cheating. I was talking about whether the statistics should have asterisks.
Right! . . . and what I am saying is there should be an asterisk because the stats were obtained by fraudulent means. Rodger Maris had an asterisk next to his 61 run record which was removed because he got it fair and square. Never mind that the progression of baseball had gone to 161 games vs. 152 when Babe Ruth hit his 60. The mound was lowered because the players (as Mbbl light points out) got bigger and stonger by natural progression.
Juicing isn't natural progression . . . it is cheating, thus fraud, and therefore any stats obtained by fraud should have an asterisk.
Look at football players. They are naturally bigger, stonger and faster than their predicessors. The equipment and padding has evolved because of that natural progression. The rules were changed to protect quarterbacks and receivers because of the natural progression of the players has a tendancy to hurt people more. Leather hats vs heavily padded space age helmets . . . etc, etc, etc. -
Well, if your argument is about players being bigger and stronger. Don't all players have an advantage now. I mean, sports medicine, "natural" or otherwise, is light years more advanced now than it was in the first half of the century.
This is proven by your point that football players have gotten so much bigger/stonger, unless of course you are suggesting that humans have evolved to such an extent in the past 50 yrs "naturally." -
WesKParker wrote: »Well, if your argument is about players being bigger and stronger. Don't all players have an advantage now. I mean, sports medicine, "natural" or otherwise, is light years more advanced now than it was in the first half of the century.
This is proven by your point that football players have gotten so much bigger/stonger, unless of course you are suggesting that humans have evolved to such an extent in the past 50 yrs "naturally."
Yep that is what I am saying. I'm taller than my father was by 2". My son is taller than me by 2". We didn't juice. My neighbors son is leaps and bounds bigger and taller than his father. He's 13 years old and is starting varsity on his high school football team. Natural progression, evolution equates to bigger, faster, stronger. Juicing is cheating thus a fraudulent means to becoming bigger, faster, stronger. -
WesKParker wrote: »Well, if your argument is about players being bigger and stronger. Don't all players have an advantage now. I mean, sports medicine, "natural" or otherwise, is light years more advanced now than it was in the first half of the century.
Right and both of those points level the playing field. -
WesKParker wrote: »I wasn't talking about cheating. I was talking about whether the statistics should have asterisks.
You're the first person to bring up asterisks in this discussion. I think most would agree it doesn't make any sense to go back and stick asterisks on all of the records during the 'steroid era' in the MLB because you have cheaters mixed with legit athletes. Impossible task.
Aterisks or no asterisks, who isn't going to look back on that era of baseball with a great deal of skepticism? It's the fault of the players for cheating and of baseball for not doing something when they knew it was going on, which they certainly did.
You mentioned things being different way back when. You're right, but I also ask...so what? There's a big difference between the rules of a game changing and people who cheat to get an advantage.
What's really 'unfair' is players all hopped up on roids basically forcing non-cheaters to consider it in order to compete. Kudos to all those guys who didn't cheat and easily could have. -
hearingimpared wrote: »Are they going to put an asterisk next to his stats now?
I didn't bring up asterisks..but thanks for noticing...
It's funny, how we agree, but somehow it seems like from different sides of the fence. -
hearingimpared wrote: »Yep that is what I am saying. I'm taller than my father was by 2". My son is taller than me by 2". We didn't juice. My neighbors son is leaps and bounds bigger and taller than his father. He's 13 years old and is starting varsity on his high school football team. Natural progression, evolution equates to bigger, faster, stronger. Juicing is cheating thus a fraudulent means to becoming bigger, faster, stronger.
Not sure if i can continue to argue against this type of logic. By your record humans will be 8 ft tall in a few generations and the settlers who colonized north america were 3ft tall...
I think you'd have trouble finding many people who would agree that evolution has more to do with bigger/stonger athletes in the last 50 yrs than modern science and medicine.
I'd argue that just scientific understanding of the human body has had more affect on the performance of athletes than steroids has. -
Uhh... it's a pretty well-established fact that the average height of a human (at least in North America) has increased quite a bit in the past 50-100 years. Ask anyone who's tried to sit at Fenway Park, designed in the 30's when the average person was like 5'4".
Whether it's actually evolution or the result of a more mixed-race society or the increase in hormones in our milk, humans are much bigger now than they were even a short time ago, and it's not because we're all juicing.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
