Martin Logon

bigaudiofanatic

anhchungdoan wrote: »

I love to agree with you but I have to beg to differ. I have owned the Aeius I and the SL3 for over ten years and they are the most COHERENT speakers I have ever heard including the Magnapan, Apoggee which will need the good sub for the low -end. As the contrary, with a solid amp that can produce a fast and tight bass and can be stable down to 2 ohm, the ML is one of the best design out there.

Do not expect the ML sounds at their best with the Adcom, B & K or Parasound or even Conrad Johnson SS amp or the Sunfire. You will need the Krell to do the job nothing else would bring out what the ML is capable to do. That's my experience with the Aerius I and the SL3. I have tried all the above amp and I had to settle down with the Krell amp.

I know what you are saying but I demoed them with a yamaha receiver and they sounded amazing. So I am thinking anything would be better than that.

Face

anhchungdoan wrote: »

I love to agree with you but I have to beg to differ. I have owned the Aeius I and the SL3 for over ten years and they are the most COHERENT speakers I have ever heard including the Magnapan, Apoggee which will need the good sub for the low -end. As the contrary, with a solid amp that can produce a fast and tight bass and can be stable down to 2 ohm, the ML is one of the best design out there.

Do not expect the ML sounds at their best with the Adcom, B & K or Parasound or even Conrad Johnson SS amp or the Sunfire. You will need the Krell to do the job nothing else would bring out what the ML is capable to do. That's my experience with the Aerius I and the SL3. I have tried all the above amp and I had to settle down with the Krell amp.

So have you heard those speakers in particular?

And the irony is, they were powered by a Krell 300i.

Hawkeye

Mega, I can understand the declawing issue. That in itself can be as controversial as a wire thread!:D

Choices of amplification on ML are as varied as any other speaker. Personally I do not care for the Krell sound. A bit dry for me. Not trying to debate preferences; it becomes a circular argument.:D The CJ and Pass are a very highly recommended combination for the current ML line. My mono's have never clipped nor engaged the power guard even hitting the right side of the meter which is indexed to 1000 watts. The ML is a VERY revealing speaker. The new line has an advantage the older line does not in that the woofers are powered by an internal amp. The older line did not have this amp and required a different amp solution if I recall correctly . As long as they are stable down low, amp choices are dictated by the usual parameters: personal choice.

I will agree that an entry level AVR will not do ANY speaker justice. However, there are quite a few people who can and do enjoy the ML sound without the megadollar gear in front of them. It seems like the OP has a pair of mono's to try and is well ahead of the power curve.

Gordon

anhchungdoan

Face wrote: »

So have you heard those speakers in particular?

And the irony is, they were powered by a Krell 300i.

I do not know what the irony you mention is. All I know is the least expensive class A , entry level Krell Kav 250 ( now is the KVA 2250) drove the ML SL3 to their best. Any other amps mentioned above went in side my house for a week or so then went right back to the local dealer.

My friend who owns the Apogee Duetta which I think the sound stage and the details are much better than the ML SL3 but the low end has to be support by the good sub. He uses Classe amp and Audio reserach pre-amp which I think they are one of the best combination for the Appogee.

I had listened to the Magnapan at the hi-end dealer Audio Concept in Houston several times and the Mag is no where comes near the Appoge Duetta and in the low end department the Mag is just not there for me.

Yes the ML SL3 is the most COHERENT speaker that does not need any extra support from the sub-woofer.:D

I also owned the Eminent Technology planar/ ribbons LFT8 A and with the proper amplification, the ET LFT8A put the Mag ( without the sub-woofer) to the shame .

Hell, during my 30 years playing around with electronics, I probably owned more speakers than some of the reviewers.

kawizx9r

dsfkjhks wrote: »

I do not know what the irony you mention is. All I know is the least expensive class A , entry level Krell Kav 250 ( now is the KVA 2250) drove the ML SL3 to their best. Any other amps mentioned above went in side my house for a week or so then went right back to the local dealer.

Reported.

Hawkeye

Comparing the SL3 to the Source is apples and oranges and really does not give a fair assessment.

I have to agree with Mike about the Source. ML did not get the crossover right between the panel and woofers. The integration does not flow as well as some other speakers and definitely not as good as the Vantage and above. ML got it pretty darn close from the Vantage up.

But, the Source can be an entry/learning speaker for someone interested in an ESL design. I would probably recommend a pair of used Vantage before a new Source if funds are available to get the benefit of better panel integration.

There is a speaker out there for everybody!

Gordon

woodsman10b

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

I know what you are saying but I demoed them with a yamaha receiver and they sounded amazing. So I am thinking anything would be better than that.

Most likely there was a power amp driving these, those salesman tell you that its just an AVR driving them so you think that they will sound as good if you take them home and connect them to your AVR. If those particular ML's are 4ohm and dip down under 1ohm, I doubt there are many receivers out there that could handle that. jmo

bigaudiofanatic

Oh I agree with you and I will investigate it further when I head back there this weekend for another listen.

bigaudiofanatic

anhchungdoan wrote: »

By no means to offend you but those AVRs @ Magnolia / BB do not bring out the best of the ML.

Try the MLs with some Krell or some good amps then you will see how good the Electrostatic speakers can transpire the music.

If buying use, I will recommend the famous Aerius I and the SL3. You will need a real muscular amp to move those mylar electrostatic pannels. Believe me, I have been a ML fan for over 10 years.

How did I end up with a set of the ones you recommend lol. Just saw this and had to comment. Now they are not the I but they are close.

polkfarmboy

Face wrote: »

I'm referring to the ML Source. http://www.martinlogan.com/products/source

The transition between the panel and woofer section was very poor IMO.

Thats just utter nonsense if you ask me .

I have had the source forever and they are great

ML hammers the maggies in the bass

ML vantage have a powerd woofer so if the amp goes your outa luck . I would save the money and go for ML Vista with a good amp .If your gona spend $6000 then buy the ML summit X

The summit ML offer are among the best of the best


All of ML ESL speakers currently released go from sounding magnificent to majestic

You probably liked the sound of the vantage because the new lines of ML are very efficient easy to drive

heiney9

Who is Martin Log-on? Never heard his speakers? I've been to several of his website's though.

H9

bigaudiofanatic

Dont sas me lol I was in a hurry back than.

Hawkeye

polkfarmboy wrote: »

Thats just utter nonsense if you ask me .

I have had the source forever and they are great

ML hammers the maggies in the bass

ML vantage have a powerd woofer so if the amp goes your outa luck . I would save the money and go for ML Vista with a good amp .If your gona spend $6000 then buy the ML summit X

The summit ML offer are among the best of the best


All of ML ESL speakers currently released go from sounding magnificent to majestic

You probably liked the sound of the vantage because the new lines of ML are very efficient easy to drive

Summit X for 6K? You must be talking used.:D

Gordon

bigaudiofanatic

I agree, or you can do the vantages for 4500 new.