Cat Stevens Tea For the Tillerman

erniejade

I picked up the 2008 re-master. BIG difference from the other CD I have Cat. They cleaned it up big time. Guitar is more on the realistic sounding side, vocals are much more pronounced. It also came with a second cd with studio and live versions. I like it!@!

blakeh

One of my favorite albums for the past 20 years, and I agree with you about the remastering effort. They really did a good job. The bonus disc was a pleasure to hear as well.

reeltrouble1

hasn't this fellow joined a fanatical sect which endorses the killing of Americans, depression of women and their rights?? I thought he did. If wrong carry on, but if so I would think any dollars he receives through royalties would support his present ideologies, but then I guess I am over the political line, I will at least check it out first.

RT1

vc69

I love that album. Based on your comments, I'm going to purchase it.
I have been disappointed by so many re-masters that I have become trigger shy. Re-mastered does not always equal better.

edit: Wow rt1... generalize much? He's islamic, not a Taliban/terrorist. Jeez.

anhchungdoan

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

hasn't this fellow joined a fanatical sect which endorses the killing of Americans, depression of women and their rights?? I thought he did. If wrong carry on, but if so I would think any dollars he receives through royalties would support his present ideologies, but then I guess I am over the political line, I will at least check it out first.

RT1

Fanatic sect? I am not sure but the fact that he converted his faith and changed his name had offended quite a few of people.

Still, his music especially the " Morning has broken" track is memorable.

shack

I don't know about any CD re-master...I have this album on LP...and it sounds pretty good.

If I refrained from purchasing music from those who’s political or religious ideology and/or beliefs differ from my own...my music collection would be rather small. Enjoy the art (if it pleases you) and ignore the ideology…unless of course the art is about the ideology you oppose. That is when you may want to take a stand IMO.

vc69

Well put Shack. I agree 100%.

cfrizz

shack wrote: »

I don't know about any CD re-master...I have this album on LP...and it sounds pretty good.

If I refrained from purchasing music from those who’s political or religious ideology and/or beliefs differ from my own...my music collection would be rather small. Enjoy the art (if it pleases you) and ignore the ideology…unless of course the art is about the ideology you oppose. That is when you may want to take a stand IMO.

Agreed Shack. He is/was a very talented musician who gave it all up over 30 years ago to do something else. Which was long before any of the current day problems arose.

reeltrouble1

yea, I said if I am wrong just carry on. I always liked him, he played the kind of music I like, I am over sensitive I suppose about having one nickel of my money end up in the hands of fanatics, even so I bet some does, it was more a question since I didn't really want to google it and all that.

Just chalk it up to RT1 crackpot then. I mean I am huge fan of Ali, Kareem and others who have simply converted faith.

RT1

shack

If one is taking the money and funneling it to radicals to buy weapons to use against our troops or even us...then I would never knowingly spend a cent to support the artist. The blatant ones are easy. The problem is how do you know what any artist does under the table with the money? For all we know Michael Bolton is pumping all of his royalties to the taliban (none of my money of course as I have never purchased ANYTHING by him).

reeltrouble1

I know Shack Daddy, I am not suggesting anyone who wants should not buy the music, I did go check it out though, everyone should make their own decision. He is barred entry to our country, but enuff said as its going taboo and I need to just shut it.

Enjoy the music.

RT1

nooshinjohn

Cat Stevens DID support Ayatollah Khomeni's fatwah On Salmond Rushdie, calling for his death for that book he wrote... Fair to say that qualifies as radical. Enjoy the music indeed.

shack

reeltrouble1 wrote:

He is barred entry to our country, but enuff said as its going taboo and I need to just shut it.

It's all good Big Ted...say whatever you like...I have NO problems with your opinions.

heiney9

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

hasn't this fellow joined a fanatical sect which endorses the killing of Americans, depression of women and their rights?? I thought he did. If wrong carry on, but if so I would think any dollars he receives through royalties would support his present ideologies, but then I guess I am over the political line, I will at least check it out first.

RT1

Ted, you need to poke your head out of the rabbit hole more often. No and No. He was a bit disenchanted with the music biz and little disgruntled as well. He decide to take his life in a different direction (Islam). He's not anywhere near what those fundamentalist's believe and has never, ever endorsed terrorism or had anything remotely to do with the extremists that seem to embrace and distort the Islamic religion to fit their twisted view.

H9

nooshinjohn

heiney9 wrote: »

Ted, you need to poke your head out of the rabbit hole more often. No and No. He was a bit disenchanted with the music biz and little disgruntled as well. He decide to take his life in a different direction (Islam). He's not anywhere near what those fundamentalist's believe and has never, ever endorsed terrorism or had anything remotely to do with the extremists that seem to embrace and distort the Islamic religion to fit their twisted view.

H9

What about his "Salmond Rushdie must die" quotes and his devout support for the Regime in Tehran? Would this not qualify him for being among the extreme?

POIDOG

nooshinjohn wrote: »

What about his "Salmond Rushdie must die" quotes and his devout support for the Regime in Tehran? Would this not qualify him for being among the extreme?

Those statements would certainly support his revised belief system. Great thing about freedom to chose, doesn't mean we should not be aware of potential dangers in the world. I love "Tea for the Tillermen" and recently purchased the remaster. Sounds great, but it represents a different worldview, not where 'sufferin sucatash" is today or whatever his new name is. :eek:

http://www.antimoon.com/forum/2004/3905.htm

cnh

heiney9 wrote: »

Ted, you need to poke your head out of the rabbit hole more often. No and No. He was a bit disenchanted with the music biz and little disgruntled as well. He decide to take his life in a different direction (Islam). He's not anywhere near what those fundamentalist's believe and has never, ever endorsed terrorism or had anything remotely to do with the extremists that seem to embrace and distort the Islamic religion to fit their twisted view.

H9

Agreed,

As far as I know Cat, now, Yusuf Islam, joined a Sufi sect..this is a mystical sect of Islam..that even fundamentalists question and do not understand....it is primarily concerned with 'inner' development and is similar to Christian, Buddhist, Daoist and other introspective traditions across the world whose purpose is to quiet the incessant 'ego' in all of us and to commune either with Godness or whatever is Truth and Love in the world. If you listen to a recent album by him (AN OTHER CUP)...there are songs in there that relate to his beliefs...none of them advocate anything but a peaceful relationship to 'others'.

Cat was just a troubled soul who sought to 'quiet' his soul through spiritual pursuits.

cnh

nooshinjohn

Cat Stevens own words of peace, love and harmony...

On February 21, 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear - if someone defames the prophet, then he must die." [5]

Newspapers quickly denounced what was seen as Yusuf Islam's support for the assassination of Rushdie and the next day Yusuf released a statement saying that he was not personally encouraging anybody to be a vigilante,[1] and that he was only stating that blasphemy is a capital offense according to the Qur'an.

However on March 8, 1989, while speaking in London's Regents Park Mosque, Yusuf Islam was asked by a Christian Science Monitor reporter how he would "cope with the idea of killing a writer for writing a book." He is reported to have replied:

In Islam there is a line between let's say freedom and the line which is then transgressed into immorality and irresponsibility and I think as far as this writer is concerned, unfortunately, he has been irresponsible with his freedom of speech. Salman Rushdie or indeed any writer who abuses the prophet, or indeed any prophet, under Islamic law, the sentence for that is actually death. It's got to be seen as a deterrent, so that other people should not commit the same mistake again.

Two months later Yusuf Islam appeared on a British television program, BBC's Hypotheticals, an occasional broadcast which featured a panel of notable guests to explore a hypothetical situation with moral, ethical and/or political dilemmas. In the episode, ("A Satanic Scenario") Stevens/Islam is recorded having this exchange with moderator and Queens Counsel Geoffrey Robertson:[6][7]

Robertson: You don't think that this man deserves to die?
Y. Islam: Who, Salman Rushdie?
Robertson: Yes.
Y. Islam: Yes, yes.
Robertson: And do you have a duty to be his executioner?
Y. Islam: Uh, no, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by a judge or by the authority to carry out such an act - perhaps, yes.
[Some minutes later, Robertson on the subject of a protest where an effigy of the author is to be burned]
Robertson: Would you be part of that protest, Yusuf Islam, would you go to a demonstration where you knew that an effigy was going to be burned?
Y. Islam: I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing

The New York Times also reports this statement from the program: [If Rushdie turned up at my doorstep looking for help] I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like. I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is.[8]

Cat Stevens(Yusef Islam) is actually a practicing Wahabbist, which is the state religion of Saudi Arabia, and the theology of choice for terrorists the world over. He has been banned from entry into Israel for allegedly funding Hammas.

Fongolio

Here's my take...he didn't write or record Tea For The Tillerman while he was a so-called "radical" so the music itself is "clean". If you don't want to feel you are supporting a "radical" then download the remaster version from a bit torrent site and deprive him of his royalties. If you don't care or don't believe that he supports terrorism buy the cd/lp. Does this really need any more discussion?

danger boy

I really like Cat Stevens - Greatest Hits album. lots of good music.

cnh

I like you John but you've got it bad. Here's what the other side says about the 'evil' Yusuf...?

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:rH5eghXOL3oJ:www.islamnewsroom.com/news-mainmenu-28/818-yusufislambacktomusic+what+sect+is+yusuf+islam+a+member+of%3F&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk

Not that this is objective either...as IF objective NEWS actually exists somewhere on earth!

cnh

cfrizz

JHC! Why do you feel compelled to drag all kinds of political crap up to blow up a thread NSJ! You don't like the guy? Fine state it & move on but digging up crap to support your belief is beyond old!

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

The point is it that whatever he is or isn't into now is irrelevent to the wonderful music he created 30+ years ago!

anhchungdoan

cfrizz wrote: »

JHC! Why do you feel compelled to drag all kinds of political crap up to blow up a thread NSJ! You don't like the guy? Fine state it & move on but digging up crap to support your belief is beyond old!

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

The point is it that whatever he is or isn't into now is irrelevent to the wonderful music he created 30+ years ago!

Imagine there is no countries
It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace..... (J.Lennon)

Peace, brothers.

nooshinjohn

Sorry Cathy... The thread did turn in that direction before my post. I could have refrained from posting his quotes on the matter.

Billm57

heiney9 wrote: »

Ted, you need to poke your head out of the rabbit hole more often. No and No. He was a bit disenchanted with the music biz and little disgruntled as well. He decide to take his life in a different direction (Islam). He's not anywhere near what those fundamentalist's believe and has never, ever endorsed terrorism or had anything remotely to do with the extremists that seem to embrace and distort the Islamic religion to fit their twisted view.

H9

and now he sings on a t-Mobile commerical ..seems he is embracing the US again (as long as green is involved)