Marantz, Yamaha or Denon receiver
jolax73
Posts: 225
Folks,
I originally posted a thread whether to get Marantz or Onkyo but it sounds like majority prefer Marantz. However, I do see that Yamaha price and features wise are not bad either for example the 765 model. What do you folks think the sound quality, video processing and HD decoder between Yamaha and Marantz. By the way, I do not care about the amp as I will be using XPA-5 as a separate amp. So I don't really care at the wattage. I am just concern to get the best bang for the buck in terms of video and audio processing. Denon not really sure but I just kind of give it as a last option here. I was hoping to get an HD radio feature too but it seems like the newer models in Yammy does not have it anymore but the older one like the 863 has it though.
Thoughts, ideas, inputs are welcomed??
I originally posted a thread whether to get Marantz or Onkyo but it sounds like majority prefer Marantz. However, I do see that Yamaha price and features wise are not bad either for example the 765 model. What do you folks think the sound quality, video processing and HD decoder between Yamaha and Marantz. By the way, I do not care about the amp as I will be using XPA-5 as a separate amp. So I don't really care at the wattage. I am just concern to get the best bang for the buck in terms of video and audio processing. Denon not really sure but I just kind of give it as a last option here. I was hoping to get an HD radio feature too but it seems like the newer models in Yammy does not have it anymore but the older one like the 863 has it though.
Thoughts, ideas, inputs are welcomed??
Post edited by jolax73 on
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I stiil say Marantz!Linn AV5140 fronts
Linn AV5120 Center
Linn AV5140 Rears
M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
Odyssey Mono-Blocs
SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D -
Danz,
You seem to be a big Marantz fan. Which model do you have? -
FYI,
I recently changed out my system, prior I was running a Yammi 2600, now I'm using a RX-V665. But, before you go "WTF" :eek: The 665 is used as a prepro, for a 5.1 system
using a XPA-3 & UPA-2. HD radio to me, not a big deal as I use a SB3 for internet radio.
The 765 would make a nice front end. The reason the 665, $362.00 brand new (not B stock) from Inventory liquidator. Works for me, the XPA drives the LSi front end and the Yammie handles movie proccessing. I will admit to being a huge Yamaha fan, as I've owned 4 different models. What fits your budget & music/movie taste is what works for you. -
Denon 4308 Ci:D
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Bernal,
I don't think that Denon falls within my budget plus I am sure you can get similar or at least better quality when you run separate XPA-5 with a decent receiver. -
AVR-1610: 7.1 CH A/V Home Theater Receiver
MSRP $379.00
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4865.asp
FEATURES
GENERAL
Availability May 2009
Finish Black
Power Output; Watts Per Channel 75
All Channels Rated @ 0.05 THD
All Channels Rated @ 0.08 THD
Weight: In Pounds 20.5
Width (inches) 17.1
Height (inches) 5.8
Depth (inches) 16.2
SOUND MODES
THX Ultra2-Certified
Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit D.D.S.C - D
Processor(s) Bit Depth and Type 21367 x 1 32-bit Floating Point
Dolby Pro Logic IIx with Cinema, Music, Game Modes
THX Post-Processing DPL (4.0), DPL2 Cinema, DD/DTS (5.1), ES Discrete (6.1), ES Matrix, Neo:6 Cinema
THX Ultra2 7.1 Cinema, Music and Game Modes
THX Surround EX Decoding
Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby Digital Surround EX Decoding
Dolby Digital Pro Logic II Dolby PLIIz
dts ES Discrete 6.1 Decoding
dts ES Matrix 6.1 Decoding
dts Neo:6 Stereo-to-Surround Cinema and Music Modes
dts 96/24 5.1 for DVD-Video Processing
Dolby Headphone
HDCD Decoder
Audio Signal Delay (Sync. Audio with Video signal) By source
Pure Direct/Direct/Stereo Modes on Digital/Analog inputs
Stereo/Direct Modes w/Pure Analog Path
5-Channel Stereo Mode
5-Channel Equal Power
Video Game Mode
Wide Screen 7.1 Mode
Mono Movie Surround Mode
Rock Arena Surround Mode
Matrix Surround Mode
Jazz Club Surround Mode
Virtual Surround Mode For 2 Speakers/Headphones
Multi-Channel Stereo Mode
DSP Effect Modes 7
Auto Surround Mode (Analog or Digital Input Type)
Active Center Channel In All Surround Modes
Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit - Digital HD
Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital+
dts-HD Master Audio
MP3 Decoding
WMA Decoding
HD Radio
XMHD
Neural Surround Mode XMHD
CONNECTIVITY
True 24-bit/96-kHz Digital Input Capability
True 24-bit/192-kHz Digital Input Capability (Denon Link & 1394)
Assignable Digital Inputs 3
Digital Input DENON Link 3rd (SACD Ready)
IEEE-1394 Digital Audio Input/Output
Digital Inputs: Coaxial 2
Digital Inputs: Optical 2
Digital Outputs: Optical
Digital to Analog REC Out
Analog Audio Inputs, Incl. Tuner 6
Phono Input
Source Function Renaming
Analog Record Outputs 2
Front Panel A/V Inputs w/Cover * Composite and S-Video
Video Conversion Composite to S-Video to Component
Video Conversion Composite to S-Video to Composite S-Video to Composite
Video Conversion Analog to HDMI 480i to 480p only
DVI/HDMI Video Inputs Compatible with 1.1 Spec. Multi-Channel Audio *1080p HDMI
HDMI Video Outputs *1080p
Composite Video Inputs 4 Incl. Front
Composite Video Outputs 2 Incl. Monitor
S-Video Inputs 1 for iPod dock
S-Video Outputs
Component Video Inputs x Bandwidth - *Assignable *2 x 60 MHz
Component Video Outputs 1
6-Ch. External Analog Input
8-Ch. External Analog Input
Banana Plug Speaker Terminals, All Channels
Cinema EQ
Front A/B Speaker Selector
56 Station Auto-Preset Memory Tuning
Radio Data System (RDS)
XM Satellite Radio 'Connect and Play' Ready with optional antenna
Sirius Ready
Rhapsody
Direct Function (Tone Bypass)
Volume Control Un-muting
Selectable Muting Levels (Full/-40/-20)
Video Select Control
RS-232 Port Third Party Remote Controllers
RJ-45 Ethernet Port Same Functionality as AVR-5805/4806
PC Setup and Control Capability
IR Serial Remote In/Out terminals
+12v Trigger Output - Assignable
Multi-Source/Multi-Zone (*Uses REC OUT)
Pre-amp Outputs for Multi-Zone
High Pass Filter for Multi-Zone Outputs
Multi-Zone Pre-Amp Outputs Selectable Output Levels
Discrete Multi-Zone Composite Video Output - *S-Video also
Discrete Remote Power On/Off, Source Selection and Volume for Main and Second/Third* Zones Main only
Discrete Remote Source Selection for Zone 3
Assignable Amplifier Configuration of Surround Back Channels
Speaker Time-Delay and Level Controls: L/R, Sub, C, Surr. L/R, Surround Back
Pre-Amp Outputs Sub, SBR, SBL or PLIIz
Internet Radio
iPod Port (Using optional AKP-100 cable)
iPod Dock Control Port (Using optional ASD-1R Denon iDock) ASD-1R/11R/3N/3W
USB Flash Drive Port
Pre Labled Assignable Digital Inputs
BNC Digital Inputs - Audio & Video
Digital to Analog Conversion Multi Zone Outputs
XLR Analog Input
XLR Analog Output
Input Delete Function
Front Panel AV Inputs Inside Panel Composite & S-Video
S-Video Down Conversion 2nd Zone
Video Conversion Analog to HDMI Scaling 480p 720p 1080i 1080p
Faroudja DCDi Video Processing and Scaling FLI2310
Silicon Optix Realta HQV Processing and Scaling
HDMI Video Output v1.1 Spec 1080p
HDMI 1.3a Inputs 3
HDMI 1.3a Outputs 1
HDMI Audio/Video Repeater Function
HDMI Video Switching Function
HDMI Deep Color Support-36Bit
HDMI xvYCC Color Space Support
HDMI SACD Support
Component Video Output 2nd Zone
10-Ch External Analog Input
Enhanced Power Amp Assignment
Builtin WiFi Connectivity WiFi B/G certified
Network Enabled
USB Port with HDD Support
HQV
COMPONENT TECHNOLOGY
Equal Power Amplifiers Y/5 ch
Low Impedance Drive Capability
High-Current/Discrete Amplifiers
Independent Power Supplies
Pure Audio Construction
Toroidal Power Transformer
Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes Analog Devices, HammerHead SHARC
Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes Texas Instruments Aureus
AL24 Processing - All Channels
24-bit/192-kHz DACs Burr-Brown PCM-1791
24-bit/192-kHz DACs - Analog Devices 24-bit/192-kHz ADAU1328
Analog-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/96-kHz
Variable High/Low Pass Crossover Points (12/24dB) 40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250
Built In Time Based Correction
Advanced AL24 Processing Multi Channel
Automatic Lip Sync
HD Radio Tuner Built-in
CONVENIENCE FEATURES
Front Panel A/B Speaker Selector
Auto Setup Calibration
Auto/Manual Room Equalization
Audyssey MultEqxt Room Eq. with up to eight position setup
Audyssey MultEQ
Audyssey Dynamic Volume
Auto Setup Microphone Included/Type Y/Mold DM-A409
Dual Surround Mode Spkr. Selector
Icon-Based On-Screen Display
Front Panel System Setup Control
Personal Memory Plus
System Setup/Surround Parameters Lockout
Relay-Controlled Protection Circuits
Microprocessor User Re-set Y/p.57
Detachable Power Cord
Subwoofer Peak-Level Limiter (THX)
Pre-programmed (10 Devices) Glow Key Remote Control with Punch Through Commands
Pre-programmed/Learning EL Remote with Backlighting and Punch Through Commands
Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with up to eight position setup
Audyssey Mult EQ Room Correction Positions 6
Audyssey Mult EQ Pro CalibrationCompatible/Installer Ready
GUI Menu Support -
AVR-1610: 7.1 CH A/V Home Theater Receiver
MSRP $379.00
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4865.asp
FEATURES
GENERAL
Availability May 2009
Finish Black
Power Output; Watts Per Channel 75
All Channels Rated @ 0.05 THD
All Channels Rated @ 0.08 THD
Weight: In Pounds 20.5
Width (inches) 17.1
Height (inches) 5.8
Depth (inches) 16.2
SOUND MODES
THX Ultra2-Certified
Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit D.D.S.C - D
Processor(s) Bit Depth and Type 21367 x 1 32-bit Floating Point
Dolby Pro Logic IIx with Cinema, Music, Game Modes
THX Post-Processing DPL (4.0), DPL2 Cinema, DD/DTS (5.1), ES Discrete (6.1), ES Matrix, Neo:6 Cinema
THX Ultra2 7.1 Cinema, Music and Game Modes
THX Surround EX Decoding
Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby Digital Surround EX Decoding
Dolby Digital Pro Logic II Dolby PLIIz
dts ES Discrete 6.1 Decoding
dts ES Matrix 6.1 Decoding
dts Neo:6 Stereo-to-Surround Cinema and Music Modes
dts 96/24 5.1 for DVD-Video Processing
Dolby Headphone
HDCD Decoder
Audio Signal Delay (Sync. Audio with Video signal) By source
Pure Direct/Direct/Stereo Modes on Digital/Analog inputs
Stereo/Direct Modes w/Pure Analog Path
5-Channel Stereo Mode
5-Channel Equal Power
Video Game Mode
Wide Screen 7.1 Mode
Mono Movie Surround Mode
Rock Arena Surround Mode
Matrix Surround Mode
Jazz Club Surround Mode
Virtual Surround Mode For 2 Speakers/Headphones
Multi-Channel Stereo Mode
DSP Effect Modes 7
Auto Surround Mode (Analog or Digital Input Type)
Active Center Channel In All Surround Modes
Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit - Digital HD
Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital+
dts-HD Master Audio
MP3 Decoding
WMA Decoding
HD Radio
XMHD
Neural Surround Mode XMHD
CONNECTIVITY
True 24-bit/96-kHz Digital Input Capability
True 24-bit/192-kHz Digital Input Capability (Denon Link & 1394)
Assignable Digital Inputs 3
Digital Input DENON Link 3rd (SACD Ready)
IEEE-1394 Digital Audio Input/Output
Digital Inputs: Coaxial 2
Digital Inputs: Optical 2
Digital Outputs: Optical
Digital to Analog REC Out
Analog Audio Inputs, Incl. Tuner 6
Phono Input
Source Function Renaming
Analog Record Outputs 2
Front Panel A/V Inputs w/Cover * Composite and S-Video
Video Conversion Composite to S-Video to Component
Video Conversion Composite to S-Video to Composite S-Video to Composite
Video Conversion Analog to HDMI 480i to 480p only
DVI/HDMI Video Inputs Compatible with 1.1 Spec. Multi-Channel Audio *1080p HDMI
HDMI Video Outputs *1080p
Composite Video Inputs 4 Incl. Front
Composite Video Outputs 2 Incl. Monitor
S-Video Inputs 1 for iPod dock
S-Video Outputs
Component Video Inputs x Bandwidth - *Assignable *2 x 60 MHz
Component Video Outputs 1
6-Ch. External Analog Input
8-Ch. External Analog Input
Banana Plug Speaker Terminals, All Channels
Cinema EQ
Front A/B Speaker Selector
56 Station Auto-Preset Memory Tuning
Radio Data System (RDS)
XM Satellite Radio 'Connect and Play' Ready with optional antenna
Sirius Ready
Rhapsody
Direct Function (Tone Bypass)
Volume Control Un-muting
Selectable Muting Levels (Full/-40/-20)
Video Select Control
RS-232 Port Third Party Remote Controllers
RJ-45 Ethernet Port Same Functionality as AVR-5805/4806
PC Setup and Control Capability
IR Serial Remote In/Out terminals
+12v Trigger Output - Assignable
Multi-Source/Multi-Zone (*Uses REC OUT)
Pre-amp Outputs for Multi-Zone
High Pass Filter for Multi-Zone Outputs
Multi-Zone Pre-Amp Outputs Selectable Output Levels
Discrete Multi-Zone Composite Video Output - *S-Video also
Discrete Remote Power On/Off, Source Selection and Volume for Main and Second/Third* Zones Main only
Discrete Remote Source Selection for Zone 3
Assignable Amplifier Configuration of Surround Back Channels
Speaker Time-Delay and Level Controls: L/R, Sub, C, Surr. L/R, Surround Back
Pre-Amp Outputs Sub, SBR, SBL or PLIIz
Internet Radio
iPod Port (Using optional AKP-100 cable)
iPod Dock Control Port (Using optional ASD-1R Denon iDock) ASD-1R/11R/3N/3W
USB Flash Drive Port
Pre Labled Assignable Digital Inputs
BNC Digital Inputs - Audio & Video
Digital to Analog Conversion Multi Zone Outputs
XLR Analog Input
XLR Analog Output
Input Delete Function
Front Panel AV Inputs Inside Panel Composite & S-Video
S-Video Down Conversion 2nd Zone
Video Conversion Analog to HDMI Scaling 480p 720p 1080i 1080p
Faroudja DCDi Video Processing and Scaling FLI2310
Silicon Optix Realta HQV Processing and Scaling
HDMI Video Output v1.1 Spec 1080p
HDMI 1.3a Inputs 3
HDMI 1.3a Outputs 1
HDMI Audio/Video Repeater Function
HDMI Video Switching Function
HDMI Deep Color Support-36Bit
HDMI xvYCC Color Space Support
HDMI SACD Support
Component Video Output 2nd Zone
10-Ch External Analog Input
Enhanced Power Amp Assignment
Builtin WiFi Connectivity WiFi B/G certified
Network Enabled
USB Port with HDD Support
HQV
COMPONENT TECHNOLOGY
Equal Power Amplifiers Y/5 ch
Low Impedance Drive Capability
High-Current/Discrete Amplifiers
Independent Power Supplies
Pure Audio Construction
Toroidal Power Transformer
Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes Analog Devices, HammerHead SHARC
Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes Texas Instruments Aureus
AL24 Processing - All Channels
24-bit/192-kHz DACs Burr-Brown PCM-1791
24-bit/192-kHz DACs - Analog Devices 24-bit/192-kHz ADAU1328
Analog-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/96-kHz
Variable High/Low Pass Crossover Points (12/24dB) 40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250
Built In Time Based Correction
Advanced AL24 Processing Multi Channel
Automatic Lip Sync
HD Radio Tuner Built-in
CONVENIENCE FEATURES
Front Panel A/B Speaker Selector
Auto Setup Calibration
Auto/Manual Room Equalization
Audyssey MultEqxt Room Eq. with up to eight position setup
Audyssey MultEQ
Audyssey Dynamic Volume
Auto Setup Microphone Included/Type Y/Mold DM-A409
Dual Surround Mode Spkr. Selector
Icon-Based On-Screen Display
Front Panel System Setup Control
Personal Memory Plus
System Setup/Surround Parameters Lockout
Relay-Controlled Protection Circuits
Microprocessor User Re-set Y/p.57
Detachable Power Cord
Subwoofer Peak-Level Limiter (THX)
Pre-programmed (10 Devices) Glow Key Remote Control with Punch Through Commands
Pre-programmed/Learning EL Remote with Backlighting and Punch Through Commands
Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with up to eight position setup
Audyssey Mult EQ Room Correction Positions 6
Audyssey Mult EQ Pro CalibrationCompatible/Installer Ready
GUI Menu Support
However I don't think this Denon has the preout........ -
You are correct jolax that doesn't have the pre-outs you want.
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You guys seem to have a good handle on these. I am looking to replace my current receiver. I have a lower end Yamaha (HTR-6130) that I got because it fit the budget and of course I got what I paid for. There are a couple of issues with this receiver that I don't think I can live with, but I'm not sure how far up I may have to go to get what I want. The first problem I encountered was that the receiver passes thru the video from the HDMI connections, but ignores the audio. This was a minor inconvenience since I could use the SPDIF connections for the audio. The next problem was that everything that comes into the receiver in digital format "stays digital" until it is output to the speakers -- that is, there is no line-level analog output available. I have some wireless speakers for my patio that need a line-level analog signal. I might have used the headphones output for that, but of course, plugging in headphones shuts off the speakers, so I only get music outdoors or indoors, but not both. All-in-all, not a very good solution for my situation.
Advice?
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Am doing the same search myself for use in a secondary HT setup. I plan to use the receiver with front preouts to an old Phase Linear 400 amp. Ideally, I'd like to keep the cost under $300-350.
Many have suggested the H/K 254 refurbs available factory direct on eBay, but reading in the owners thread over at AVS, there seem to be widespread quality control issues at H/K, with the 254/354 having HDMI handshake issues, and just overall quirkiness.
Right now I'm leaning towards a facory refurbed Marantz SR5002 ($299) or SR7001 ($485), but am having a hard time choosing.
My HDMI devices are a PS3, HD-XA2, and Dish 211K. -
Refurbed Onk. (706 perhaps)
Denon/Marantz = Basically the same thing.
Yammy = Yamaha "natural sound" - not so natural to me. Kinda thin. YMMV-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
Refurbed Onk. (706 perhaps)
Denon/Marantz = Basically the same thing.
Yammy = Yamaha "natural sound" - not so natural to me. Kinda thin. YMMV
VC,
If I am using the Yammy as a pre/pro, will the thin sound affects my sonic output? Or it should not be affected? Coz I am planning to do a seperate setup: amp & AVR. -
I agree with VC, Yam = thin.
Have used Yam RXV 663 as pre pro for about 18 months. Recently picked up Emo USP-1 to use as a (very entry level) 2-channel pre and, whatever the strengths or weaknesses of the Emo may be, it blows the Yamaha away in 2 channel.
My impression is some people like Yam sound but more dislike, and no other mass market manufacturer is quite so divisive. -
VC,
If I am using the Yammy as a pre/pro, will the thin sound affects my sonic output? Or it should not be affected? Coz I am planning to do a seperate setup: amp & AVR.
I don't have any hands-on experience with using a Yamaha as a pre/pro.
I would imagine it will work fine. I highly recommend a reciever/pre/pro with Audyssey. Onkyo or Denon (Marantz too I believe).-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
What about Pioneer? are they any better than the Yammy?
