Swine Flu

KrazyMofo24

I was hoping this was going to be gone by now. It sounds like it could get a lot worse.


Tue Aug 25, 8:00 am ET

WASHINGTON – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Tuesday that a massive school closing wouldn't stop the spread of the swine flu virus, saying vaccinations must be the defense against a menace that one report said could infect up to half of the population.

"What we know is that we have the virus right now traveling around the United States," Sebelius said in a nationally broadcast interview. "And having children in a learning situation is beneficial ... What we learned last spring is that shutting a school down sort of pre-emptively doesn't stop the virus from spreading."

Sebelius appeared on NBC's "Today" show one day after a special presidential advisory panel presented a grim report to the Obama White House, saying among other things that a "plausible scenario" for the United States later this year is wide-scale infections, possibly 30,000 to 90,000 deaths, mostly among young children and young adults, and perhaps as many as 300,000 sick enough to require intensive care unit treatment at hospitals.

Asked in the interview what people should do while awaiting the arrival of a vaccine, with first supplies likely by October but most not until the Thanksgiving season, Sebelius said: "I think it's important that people begin to anticipate that we will have a vaccine. We think it's likely that we're going to need two shots for the vaccine."

She said people should plan ahead for this, particularly those with pre-existing medical conditions, pregnant women and health care industry workers. Sebelius said federal health authorities also are recommending that people should immediately get their regular "seasonal" flu vaccine to bolster their health for the scenario yet to play out later this year regarding the swine flu virus.

"Seasonal flu vaccine is ready at the beginning of September," she said. "We want the population that is most at risk to begin their seasonal flu vaccine now."

Sebelius said on MSNBC that the government has asked drug makers to accelerate the manufacture of antiviral medication that could be administered intravenously to hospitalized swine flu victims.

A report by the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, delivered Monday, said that while the impact of H1N1 was impossible to predict, a "plausible scenario" is that the epidemic could "produce infection of 30-50 percent of the U.S. population this fall and winter, with symptoms in approximately 20-40 percent of the population (60-120 million people), more than half of whom would seek medical attention."

Swine flu could lead to as many as lead to as many as 1.8 million U.S. hospital admissions during the epidemic, with up to 300,000 patients requiring care in intensive care units. In fact, those very ill patients could occupy 50-100 percent of all ICU beds in affected regions of the country at the peak of the epidemic and place "enormous stress" on ICU units.

Seasonal flue typically causes 30,000-40,000 annual deaths, mainly among people over 65.

People with certain pre-existing conditions, including pregnant women and patients with neurological disorders or respiratory impairment, diabetes, or severe obesity are at high risk, along with certain populations, such as Native Americans, the report said.

The fall resurgence in swine flu could occur as early as September, with the beginning of the school term, and the peak infection may occur in mid-October.

The report emphasized that this was a planning scenario, not a prediction. But, it added, "the scenario illustrates that an H1N1 resurgence could cause serious disruption of social and medical capacities in our country in the coming months."

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_med_swine_flu

Face

KrazyMofo24 wrote: »

White House, saying among other things that a "plausible scenario" for the United States later this year is wide-scale infections, possibly 30,000 to 90,000 deaths

<SNIP>

Seasonal flue typically causes 30,000-40,000 annual deaths, mainly among people over 65.

I don't believe this is anything to panic over. I've come in contact with a few individual who tested positive with swine flu and never contracted it. Keep yourself healthy, and you have nothing to worry about.

dkg999

Until the general population is exposed to it, we won't build up the immunities and pass those down to the next generations. Even the vaccines aren't fool-proof and don't guarantee immunity.

bobman1235

Wow, they're really trying to push the panic button on this one still?

We're talking about something that has killed fewer than 3000 people WORLDWIDE, and barely 500 people in America.

Even with a quarter of a million worldwide confirmed cases of "swine flu", that's over almost a five-month span; the normal flu kills a quarter of a million people every year and is not even around that long.

I understand there are differences but this still reeks of fear mongering.

dkg999

I wonder which freedoms and personal liberties they want to target in the name of fighting the swine flu pandemic? I wish they would just issue a playbook, because it gets tiring to keep track of the shenanigans by our elected (and that's the really sad part, our sorry arses are responsible for those leaders) officials.

BlueFox

From the very beginning I wondered if this thing was a genetic experiment that got loose, and the way it is constantly in the news still makes me wonder. Either yesterday's, or this morning paper, was predicting 90,000 dead in the U.S this winter from swine flu. Must have been the same as the article in the original post. Throw in the deaths from the regular flu, and we will have an interesting winter. Assuming it does not mutate into a more dangerous version.

Cpyder

dkg999 wrote: »

I wonder which freedoms and personal liberties they want to target in the name of fighting the swine flu pandemic? I wish they would just issue a playbook, because it gets tiring to keep track of the shenanigans by our elected (and that's the really sad part, our sorry arses are responsible for those leaders) officials.

Well, probably habeous corpus again. LOL. Yeah this is being blown way out of proportion. I mean, the regular flu kills like 25,000 people a year and H1N1 is the pandemic here? Anyone remember killer bees, Y2K, bird flu, etc?

obieone

I wouldn't BE paranoid, if THEY weren't out to get me:eek:

After recent developments, I wouldn't trust this admin. to tell me the fooking sun was hot!:mad:

bsoko2

If people practice washing hands, blow nose away from others, sneeze away from others, getting plenty of rest, eating healthy, and lots of fluids (not beer, pop, phony fruit drinks, & energy drinks) like plain old H2o, all of this goes along way in fighting the flu bug. Go to this site for flu info: http://www.pandemicflu.gov/.

Bill

megasat16

Every year, hundreds of thousands of people died from all kinds of flu around the world.

It's not gonna get worse than what already has.

And one day, your time and mine will come no matter what causes it. Just make sure you are ready when you have to cross the bridge.

Ricardo

dkg999 wrote: »

(and that's the really sad part, our sorry arses are responsible for those leaders)

Not my sorry arse.

dkg999

Ricardo wrote: »

Not my sorry arse.

Marco

fossy

Here in Texas, they are making it mandatory for kids in public schools to take the vaccine. Is it the same in other states ??? I don't have any kiddos but I just don't like the fact people have no choice...

F1nut

reeks of fear mongering

We have a winner!

jm1

I’m just glad Baxter International filed for a H1N1 vaccine patent (US 2009/0060950 A1) on August 28, 2008. This shows they were hard at work being proactive trying to protect us before this new strain was officially known. :rolleyes:

raidersrule76

That's it I have just decided to not leave my house for the rest of the year:D
I think i'm just gonna blast the SDA's and ignore anyone and everyone that comes to my door for fear they might have the piggy flu.:eek:

dorokusai

I refuse to die from the bacon virus.

fatchowmein

Well, we all have our music & movies so no worries about public service announcements to stay in our homes unless we run out of beer and as long as our ISP don't go down we can still mock each other on this forum for additional entertainment.

zombie boy 2000

Anyone want to take Maddox up on his offer?
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu

SKsolutions

I'd lick all the urinals at Fenway before taking that shot.
If you have school aged kids, I suggest you read up on the history of this strain of flu, and what may or may not be in the shot. You can find exemptions forms for school by state HERE

POIDOG

dkg999 wrote: »

Marco

POLO :eek::cool:

mmadden28

jm1 wrote: »

I’m just glad Baxter International filed for a H1N1 vaccine patent (US 2009/0060950 A1) on August 28, 2008. This shows they were hard at work being proactive trying to protect us before this new strain was officially known. :rolleyes:

Actually, if I'm reading it right, the Patent is for a Method of producing vaccines, not for the specific vaccine for the current strain of H1N1.

H1N1 has been around at least since 1918.

huggies

Not sure if this has been posted before but its a very interesting take on the vaccine. Me personally, no way I'm taking it, or my kids. This fast tracking stuff needs to be better controlled.


Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
Posted by: Dr. Mercola
August 04 2009 294,275

vaccine, swine fluBy Dr. Mercola

According to Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, your children should be the first target for mass swine flu vaccinations when school starts this fall.

This is a ridiculous assumption for many reasons, not to mention extremely high risk.

In Australia, where the winter season has begun, Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon is reassuring parents the swine flu is no more dangerous than regular seasonal flu. "Most people, including children, will experience very mild symptoms and recover without any medical intervention," she said.[ii]

Sydney-based immunization specialist Robert Booy predicts swine flu might be fatal to about twice as many children in the coming year as regular influenza. Booy estimates 10-12 children could die from the H1N1 virus, compared with the five or six regular flu deaths seen among children in an average year in Australia.[iii]

“Cure the Disease, Kill the Patient”

Less than 100 children in the U.S. die each year from seasonal flu viruses.[iv] If we use Australia’s math, a very rough estimate would be another 100 children could potentially die of swine flu in the United States in the coming year.

If children are the first target group in the U.S. per Sebelius, that means we’re about to inject around 75 million children with a fast tracked vaccine containing novel adjuvants, including dangerous squalene, to prevent perhaps 100 deaths.

I’m not overlooking the tragedy of the loss of even one child to an illness like the H1N1 flu virus. But there can be no argument that unnecessary mass injection of millions of children with a vaccine containing an adjuvant known to cause a host of debilitating autoimmune diseases is a reckless, dangerous plan.

Why are Vaccinations Dangerous?

The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However, your body’s immune system is already designed to do this in response to organisms which invade your body naturally.

Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract – not through an injection.

These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a vaccine is injected into your body.

Your IgA immune system is your body’s first line of defense. Its job is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or even eliminating the need for activation of your body’s immune system.

When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune system is bypassed and your body’s immune system kicks into high gear in response to the vaccination.

Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health.

And as if Vaccines Weren’t Dangerous Enough on Their Own …

… imagine them turbocharged.

The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against.

Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual.

Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines.

Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines?

The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines.

The adjuvant? Squalene.

According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine,

“A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v]

Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

What Squalene Does to Rats

Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.[vi]

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.[vii]

The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.

What Squalene Does to Humans

Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii]

Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x]

The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP).

However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics:

“ … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene.”[xi]

According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

“… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii]

rayslifecycle

Thank you for posting this Huggies

Toolfan66

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danger boy

personally, I think health officials from the bottom all the way to the top are just scaring people right now. Here where I live.. they are using the words pandemic.. that **** scares people when you use words like that. Last June they were talking to raising the awareness level to it's highest level 6.

That **** scares people and causes panic. No doubt the H1N1 flu is hear and spreading... but lets take a step back and remember it's a new strain of the flu.. that's right flu. there will be vaccines available for that next month.

Yes some people with compromised immune systems will die from swine flu.. that's to be expected. but come on.. it's the flu, not flesh eating virus.

obieone

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bobman1235

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604

It's OK, we didn't need that whole Bill of Rights thing.

Unreal.

obieone

bobman1235 wrote: »

It's OK, we didn't need that whole Bill of Rights thing.

Unreal.

Aren't you HAPPY you left the People's Republic?
Yeah, me TOO!:p

I saved that bill to my documents. Still don't know if I'll share it with my relatives(up there) though.
They have a BAD case of 'Bubble-itis'

Shizelbs

dkg999 wrote: »

Until the general population is exposed to it, we won't build up the immunities and pass those down to the next generations. Even the vaccines aren't fool-proof and don't guarantee immunity.

Lifelong immunities are not handed down genetically if thats what you are driving at.

Shizelbs

Huggies' post is full of some pretty questionable and easily debated statements.