Win 7 network detection?

disneyjoe7

Is there a way to turn off / disable network detection? I like to connect so its between dsl modem and wireless hub. I have this working, but when connected this way its can't detect network and it's unidentifiable I can't connect. If connected to wireless hub directly states home network and I have no issues no other changes done as this is a fix ip address on the computer in question.

Sami

So what exactly are you trying to do? Switch between connecting to a wireless hub or directly to modem? If the problem is you can connect though the wireless hub but not when directly connecting to the modem you need to check if your modem is in bridged mode.

disneyjoe7

I'm using a hub (non switch) between DSL modem and Linksys router / switch. The Linksys router, and reset of network is working. This computer which I can remote in to only if its plugged into the Linksys router, and doesn't when connected to the a hub port. This is when win 7 states Unidentifiable network, but can connect to the net, just can't ping it or connect to it.

Sami

By fixed address, do you mean it's set to static? Connect the Win7 machine to both networks and see if the ip address matches on both, or if the DHCP server assigns it an address. If they are the same, change it to dynamic anyways, and connect to the hub to see if you can get an address from the DHCP server.

disneyjoe7

When trying to toubleshoot win 7 always seems to like to turn on DHCP which I can but wish for remote proposes have a static address. Now since the Linksys is a wireless adapter now having a different Ip address in the system to work, the hub being in the middle just what would is computer do? Go to 192.168.1.254 or the linksys 192.168.0.1? For the record this computer is 192.168.0.****

Sami

What is the 192.168.1.254? You can have different subnets but I would suggest using the linksys DHCP anyways. Just configure the router to assign your Win7 machine the same address every time.

In case you need help to do that, let me know the model of your wireless router. I am assuming it is acting as your DHCP server.

disneyjoe7

192.168.1.254 is my Netopia Model 2241N-VGx DSL modem. I needed to move the wireless IP to make it work as an adapter, the only way it works. I searched that on web to learn about that, so the hub would worked. No not right?


But now I installed to another nic port on this computer, to use it as a firewall hardware. Stand by I sure I need some other learning stuff, but I think yes they need to have different IP source. And yes the DSL modem is DHCP output.

Some hardwire computers are using a static IP, also some net printers. The DVR's, and any laptop computers are using DHCP IP.

Sami

The wireless then can be configured to be on the same subnet, or is there a need for it to be on different subnet?

KrazyMofo24

Did you make sure that the router/modem is giving your linksys router a private ip address (192.)? Why not turn off DHCP on modem/router and connect linksys directly to the modem and then the hub to the router? Also I would definitely recommend a switch over a hub especially with the prices these days. Hub= collisions and shared bandwidth, and becomes more of an issue every time you set up an extra device.


I never heard of Windows automaticially changing your tcp/ip settings back to dhcp after you manually entered it static. I'll have to look that one up, i'm also using windows 7 I can try it on mine.

disneyjoe7

KrazyMofo24 wrote: »

I never heard of Windows automatically changing your tcp/ip settings back to dhcp after you manually entered it static. I'll have to look that one up, i'm also using windows 7 I can try it on mine.

I'm using this computer as a firewall in my network, now have 2 nic cards in it with different 3rd optets. Placed the win 7 in a bridge network mode, when doing so forced the static address of one nic to DHCP mode. When I tried to change back to static IP, the unidentifiable network came back, and stopped the bridge mode. Win 7 is pretty nice but need some fairly easily way to kill the auto detection of network. Just my MO

For the record I this came about when I placed a hub (non switch) between wireless hub and dsl modem. So I was able to see that network my dsl modem now did the sign in, I could never get the wireless Linksys to work without placing it "Automatic DHCP mode" with a different optet.

Learned something as this knowledge could have been used in a friends house. He has a wireless network for a laptop, and his main computer / printer, set it all up. 2 weeks later after is 20 year son needed to (not 100% sure) but think needed to add a computer? Not knowing password to hub / defaulted it. That killed it, he then had nothing... But his dsl support got his sign in in the modem again. Later when I placed it all back together, I wish I knew what I know now... So when son played games with it at least he could place a network cable in the modem to be back in business again.

Sami

Using Windows machine as a firewall, not so sure it is a good idea. What software are you running for firewall? What else is the computer used for?

If you change your linksys to static IP, make sure its gateway is 192.168.1.254.

disneyjoe7

Sami,

Answered in PM.

KrazyMofo24

What is the model of your wireless hub? I never really seen those like I said hubs are bad they were useful 10 years ago, but now switches are much better in performance. Also the firewall i'm still learning more about them myself. However from what i've heard the best firewalls is the physical one built in your router, or getting a standalone firewall a lot of businesses use those. Unless you go a stand-alone firewall it's hard seeing anything else being more effective than just your router's firewall.

As long as your linksys has the software to manually assign a device an ip you should be fine with one of them being dhcp.

Running more than one network card in a pc is confusing I would like to more about it myself. If I find some information on it i'll definitely let you know.

My suggestion is still to ditch to 2nd card, and dont use your pc as a firewall, just have the router do it and if not get a good external firewall. Also if you want to get better perfomance on your network swap the hubs with a switch.

Sami

Ok, that cleared things up. What you want to do is place the Win7 machine between the DSL router and your wireless router. 1st NIC goes into your DSL. The second NIC's gateway is your 1st NIC's address. Does it make sense? Then your wireless is on static address as well where the gateway is your Win7 machines 2nd NIC address.

This way you have rerouted the traffic from the wireless 192.168.0.**** network to go through your Win7 firewall into the 192.168.1.**** network and from there outside to DSL.

disneyjoe7

Sami wrote: »

This way you have rerouted the traffic from the wireless 192.168.0.**** network to go through your Win7 firewall into the 192.168.1.**** network and from there outside to DSL.

Yes then it brings up some funny issues, my DSL modem states 2 IP addresses with 2 mac #. I know one was the computer, but at first I thinking the other is wrong, and shouldn't be there. Then I found out it was the wireless hub, which confused me as its connected to the other nic card?

disneyjoe7

KrazyMofo24 wrote: »

What is the model of your wireless hub?

WRT54G working with DD-WRT


Nice software really like what I can do with this DD software, I pissed at myself for trashing 2 others years ago. They don't make them like that anyone

disneyjoe7

Sami wrote: »

Using Windows machine as a firewall, not so sure it is a good idea. What software are you running for firewall? What else is the computer used for?

If you change your linksys to static IP, make sure its gateway is 192.168.1.254.

Yes see your input, but.... Not a big deal as the 198.168.0.1 is the hub/switch so I can find that no problem. The computer which can change so I can't find it is the issue, but I have the backdoor by the dsl modem who will tell me where it is... if I lose it

Sami

That just leaves me wondering what the problem is in the first place.

If you mean by a computer that can change is other computer that is connected by DHCP, just change your DHCP server to assign it the same address every time.

disneyjoe7

Hmmm...

Computers / other devices connected.

Hardwired must of the house with Ethernet ports, so this isn't really hard at this point.

Main computer desktop static IP

Printer deskjet static IP

Business computer static IP

Laser printer static IP

dhcp connected devices.

Tivo living room

Tivo bedroom

My laptop

My wifes laptop

My wifes blackberry

I use a hub / switch for most ports in the house used for Tivo's 1 & 2, and the deskjet printer. Off the main wireless hub is the main computer, and the business computer. In the business I needed other ports in there for another Tivo, the computer, and the laser printer. This is were I used the hub (non switch) Linksys NH1005 v2.

When I used the Linksys NH1005 hub to see traffic win 7 doesn't care for the static ip. This was between the dsl modem and the wrt54g hub/switch. Win 7 doesn't like static ip when nic ports are bridged over. I don't think XP would give me an issue like that.