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08op
08op Posts: 18
edited July 2009 in Speakers
i've had new polks for ht for 3 weeks and my center blew the tweeter last night.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited July 2009
    Welcome to Club Polk!



    A tad bit more info might let us help you.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited July 2009
    At the risk of sounding obvious - I assume you were playing it pretty loud. (or at least beyond the capabilities of your amp)

    To put it in another analogy - If you get a new car, over rev the engine and it blows - is that your fault or the manufacturers?

    Call polk customer service and they will take care of you. Do not for a second think that the problem was with the speakers though. You need a more powerful reciever, a good amp, or more efficient speakers if you want to play at high volumes (high being -10 or lower on a calibrated system) perhaps a combination of those three suggestions would be in order.

    Good luck - stick around and learn what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited July 2009
    Yeah, I agree with above comments...

    What model speakers do you have and what gear are you driving them with?
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    sorry bout that, just very pissed this happened. i have a yammy 465 avr, speakers are tsi 400, cs10. and it was nowhere near overdriven, mv was at -18.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited July 2009
    08op wrote: »
    sorry bout that, just very pissed this happened. i have a yammy 465 avr, speakers are tsi 400, cs10. and it was nowhere near overdriven, mv was at -18.

    Not having experience with those speakers, i probably won't be able to help arrive at a concrete conclusion. BUT: I can honestly say that i've never run a reciever even that high, and being that it's not particularly high-powered, i wouldn't be all that surprised to find that distortion killed it.

    But again, there's way more to it that could affect it. Just a possibility that my brain jumped to.

    What were you listening to?
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited July 2009
    Wow - I agree, at -18 (assuming you either calibrated by hand or ran the YAPO on your yamaha) you should have been good to go. Looks like we will need some more info. I assume it was not a gradual thing.... What were you playing (what movie) and where was it at (what scene - if you noticed anyway).

    How is everything hooked up (DVD to reciever to speakers) what kind of cables - for the speaker wire - what kind of ends are on them....)

    There is something off here, we just need to find it.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    with my old paradigms i listened to movies with mv at -13 to -10 and never had a prob. and i was watching war of the worlds to test my sub out.
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    welcome to Club Polk.

    If it is only a single tweeter then that is an easy fix.....

    will your authorized Dealer take care of the issue ?
    anyway
    ...things happen and LUCKY for you that POLK AUDIO customer service
    will take care of your issue especially since it is new.

    take the time to figure out what the true root cause of the failure possibly was.
    clipping
    a sudden pulse or noise.
    distortion.

    good luck and welcome again to club polk.
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    McLoki wrote: »
    Wow - I agree, at -18 (assuming you either calibrated by hand or ran the YAPO on your yamaha) you should have been good to go. Looks like we will need some more info. I assume it was not a gradual thing.... What were you playing (what movie) and where was it at (what scene - if you noticed anyway).

    How is everything hooked up (DVD to reciever to speakers) what kind of cables - for the speaker wire - what kind of ends are on them....)

    There is something off here, we just need to find it.

    Michael

    yes setup done wiyh yapo, noticed at begining of wow, all hdmi cables and 14 guage sp wire bare into binding posts.
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    * 5-channel 525W powerful surround sound (105W x 5)

    did not find the distortion spec at rated impedance
    but didn't really search that much either....
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited July 2009
    The horn in war of the worlds (after the first pod emerges) has blown many center channels. not sure why - but it does. (can search on AVS and even here for some other centers that bit the dust on that one) but still -18 should have been fine. (much below -15 and I would be blaming the volume though for that movie)

    Anyway - do you happen to know what level the center is set at in your AVR? The pre-amp channel can clip and blow a tweeter just like the standard amplifier channel can. The big difference is, the pre-amp channel can do it at lower volumes. (but it is also more rare)

    I assume you are not bi-amping / bi-wiring or anything like that??

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    McLoki wrote: »
    The horn in war of the worlds (after the first pod emerges) has blown many center channels. not sure why - but it does. (can search on AVS and even here for some other centers that bit the dust on that one) but still -18 should have been fine. (much below -15 and I would be blaming the volume though for that movie)

    Anyway - do you happen to know what level the center is set at in your AVR? The pre-amp channel can clip and blow a tweeter just like the standard amplifier channel can. The big difference is, the pre-amp channel can do it at lower volumes. (but it is also more rare)

    I assume you are not bi-amping / bi-wiring or anything like that??

    Michael

    well i noticed it before that,i never read about that movie blowing cc, good to know. level is right at middle setting. and no not bi nada.(hahahaha that could go many ways) anyways called the store i bought it at and went and got a new one, everything back to sounding good, i'll just take it easy with the volume, even though i love cranking it. thanks for all replies.:D
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,792
    edited July 2009
    Probably obvious but were they set to small with a proper c/o point?
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    ken brydson wrote: »
    Probably obvious but were they set to small with a proper c/o point?

    yes all speakers set to small, crossover set at 80hz. i hope i just had a defective cc and will have no trouble with new one or front l/r. now i just need some surrounds to replace my broken paradigms, literly broken.
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    broken
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited July 2009
    is that an atom or titan on its side?
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited July 2009
    even though a tweeter or other driver blows from use or mis use.. I"m not sure which is the case here... Polk Audio carries replacement parts. call customer service and let them know the model of your speaker.. AND mention to them you are a Club Polk member for a discount on part(s)

    *also, on rare occasions speakers have problems and a part dies for no apparent reason as well. So some times even though you are not over driving them... a problem could still arise.

    good luck and call Polk customer service... they will help you out. :D
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,484
    edited July 2009
    from my experience with the Yamaha product line, I have little doubt that the amp section simply cannot keep up with the demands placed upon it by the speakers even at the level the OP had his system set to... I found this out in my own rig with a much beefier receiver and went Sunfir instead for power...
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  • ntculenuff
    ntculenuff Posts: 1,146
    edited July 2009
    break in break in give the speakers some time to break in before you go crankin em :) i usually just let my radio play at a moderate volume for about 40 hours
    Speakers:
    Definitive BP7001sc mains
    Definitive C/L/R 3000 center
    Polk RT800i's rears
    Definitive supercube I Sub
    Audio:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010
    Emotiva XPA five Gen 3
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    O8op
    Do you have relatives that are members here?
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    from my experience with the Yamaha product line, I have little doubt that the amp section simply cannot keep up with the demands placed upon it by the speakers even at the level the OP had his system set to... I found this out in my own rig with a much beefier receiver and went Sunfir instead for power...

    Maybe with the lower end products, but the higher end Yamaha's would have no problem driving speakers at -18.

    I ran my 5.1 from my V1800 no problem to higher levels before using my external Carver for the mains. It still drives the center and rears and I've gone up to -4 for some music and movies...clean and clear.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited July 2009
    08op wrote: »
    broken

    Well glad you got your issue resolved. Of course we can't rule out a manufacturer defect- that is after all what a warranty is for ;).

    Now what the heck is that speaker? And what is that thread thing hanging behind it?

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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited July 2009
    And what is that thread thing hanging behind it?
    Yup! Good eyes and that is the name for it too :eek:
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    “Your attitude, almost always determine your altitude in life” ;)
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited July 2009
    08op wrote: »
    with my old paradigms i listened to movies with mv at -13 to -10 and never had a prob. and i was watching war of the worlds to test my sub out.

    War of the Worlds is a very hard hitting movie,but if the speakers were
    set to small(80hz) you should have been ok:confused:
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    thats an OLD paradigm titan:( (V1 i think)i bought them 16 yrs ago. were fine until my dog went "kujo mode"(psycotically running all over like a crack head). slamed into the speaker stand and thats the end result. that "string" is temporary wire until i get new surrounds, looking for some decent but cheap dipoles.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited July 2009
    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    Yup! Good eyes and that is the name for it too :eek:

    :D My eyes can't take the credit---I had to use a screen magnifier and process it through some NCIS software ;)
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited July 2009
    08op wrote: »
    thats an OLD paradigm titan:( (V1 i think)i bought them 16 yrs ago. were fine until my dog went "kujo mode"(psycotically running all over like a crack head). slamed into the speaker stand and thats the end result. that "string" is temporary wire until i get new surrounds, looking for some decent but cheap dipoles.

    What the heck kind of dog you have there? Great Dane?
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    O8op
    Do you have relatives that are members here?

    not sure dont talk to much family. why?
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  • 08op
    08op Posts: 18
    edited July 2009
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    What the heck kind of dog you have there? Great Dane?

    nope shepard/boxer mutt. about 60 lbs

    and hahahahaha about the "string discovered through abby at ncis in the lab":rolleyes:
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited July 2009
    08op wrote: »
    nope shepard/boxer mutt. about 60 lbs

    and hahahahaha about the "string discovered through abby at ncis in the lab":rolleyes:

    :D:p. No I didn't mean through Abby, I mean through the magical software they use. You know where they can take a super low res pic from a MAC Machine (or whatever the heck they are called now) and ultra zoom in on a car a mile away and use the computer's advanced algorithms to dither the image to a super clear and sharp hires image enough to discern the reflection of the attacker and extract a DNA sample from that image???? Of course it could be Abby operating that computer...:D:cool:
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