My SV Experience

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  • burdette
    burdette Posts: 1,194
    edited April 2003
    Geez, what a sucky day. I felt crappy when my first PE plate amp died after only 2 hours plug-in time (PE came through like a charm.. mailed a new amp out the first chance they had (I called on a Sat. morning) and didn't require that they have the old one first.) But to lose two TWO count'em two beefy 12 inch woofers at the same time after dropping all that dough for bass.... Now, I know it is a source of pride for engineers to find new and improved ways of tearing things apart... but Hbomb.. you even stumped yourself with this one.

    Sorry for your loss. My thoughts and concerns are with you. At least you have decent mains to fill in.
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by Dr. Spec

    Have you completely ruled out foul play?
    Doc

    I quized the wife over and over and she is insistant that nothing out of the ordinary happened.
    Originally posted by Burdette

    Now, I know it is a source of pride for engineers to find new and improved ways of tearing things apart... but Hbomb.. you even stumped yourself with this one.
    Doc

    scratchen my bumb on this 1....:confused:

    Well I just got up after my 36 hour marathon, ground some beans and trying to come back to life.

    HBomb
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited April 2003
    Any updates, Henry?

    And BTW, I didn't type that second comment in your above post, even though someone added "Doc" to the end of it.

    Ed
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by Dr. Spec
    Any updates, Henry?

    And BTW, I didn't type that second comment in your above post, even though someone added "Doc" to the end of it.

    Ed

    Doc, That was me fat fingering, "as usual", on the key board... That was actually Burdett going "Toung and Cheek" with me. In the majority of cases he is so right but in this one case I had a lot margin built in.

    I just received mail from Tom and he thought at first my wifes email addy was from some spammer or something. He said he is going to call today so I shot him the HBomb Hotline.

    I'm doin a little road trip down to St. Louis today. Going to the Hill which is an Italian district and hopefully can find a good Dele to by some ethnic flavors.... Just a little homesick for flavor because I'm in meat and potatoes country.

    I'll be sure to post when we get back. Its a beautiful day here and going to be a real nice drive.

    HBomb
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited April 2003
    Hi Henry - well I'd assume the entire issue should be pretty much resolved at this point one way or the other.

    How did it go with SVS?

    Did they ship you new drivers?

    Was the original Samson amp to blame?

    Did you remove the original drivers and see anything external that might have given you a clue (torn spiders, broken tinsel leads, disconnected wires, burnt smell at the VC area, etc.)?

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    SVS has been great throughout this entire process. My Fluke bit the dust at home and I have not yet measure the impedance of the VC so I'll do that prior to removing the subs. I have some spares from work I'll grab.

    Tom at SV and I spoke for quite a long time last night and the guy knows his stuff. After giving him full detail of my settup he was in agreement that the Woofs may have been battered a bit in shipping which is the root cause of the failure. He then went on to say that many of the key tolerances are down to a mil, ".001", and if there is a shock large enough that problems could happen. I also went ahead and explained that this whole situation has me embarrassed I I feal really bad that it has happened and he kindly let me know that all is OK and his goal is to get me back up and running.

    Friday should be the delivery day so I'll be back in LF Heaven.

    HBomb
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited April 2003
    How often do you get to speak at length with the co-founder and chief designer of the company that made your subwoofers? :-)

    Good move measuring the static resistance of the coil - should be around 3-5 ohms, I would guess, right?

    A busted VC would measure as an open circuit, and burnt VC would measure as a short, right?
    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by Dr. Spec


    A busted VC would measure as an open circuit, and burnt VC would measure as a short, right?
    Doc

    My thoughts exactly!

    I did not know he was a cofounder??? Good for him!
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by HBombToo


    I did not know he was a cofounder??? Good for him!

    Stimpson and Vodhanel Subwoofers

    Tom V (as he is better known) is a legend in the subwoofer community. Earned his stripes in the DIY trenches and never looked back.

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    Originally posted by Dr. Spec


    Good move measuring the static resistance of the coil - should be around 3-5 ohms, I would guess, right?


    Doc

    Before the equipment is returned I need to measure it.


    Test Euipment:
    HP 204D Oscillator. I am impressed with its power out.

    Fluke rms Volt meter amongst other gear for measurement needs if necessary. I have a hard time thinking a power cord is at fault... ;)

    Friday night is test city so the Evil Twin will be AWOL.

    1/2 Twin :confused:
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited April 2003
    Hbomb, I wish I still had copies of some of Tom's posts from back when SVS was just a newbie on the block. I'm not sure if he still does (although it wouldn't suprise me), but he used to frequent a couple very popular audio forums.

    I can remember when they (svs) first hit the street, he pissed a LOT of people off with his data and truths. It was quite fun to sit back and just read from a distance. Tom knows his stuff, that's for SURE.

    Cheers,
    Rooster (evil twin to the power of *three*)
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited April 2003
    I can't type anymore....I can remember when they (svs) first hit the street, he pissed a LOT of people off with his data and truths. It was quite fun to sit back and just read from a distance. Tom knows his stuff, that's for SURE.

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2003
    I am finally back up and running... Thanks SVS!

    I brought another meter home from work and measured the impedance of both woofers and indeed they measured as an open. The new woofers out of the box came in at 3.1 Ohms. 1 at a time I slowly took them apart making sure I understood what my next move was going to be even before I picked up a tool. I'll explain again that I not a very handy guy and given tools I either get hurt or something gets broke except this time thankfully.

    I took both Docs and Russmans advice and did not even think about a beer which is most heavenly right now. Even for the HBomb this was a pretty simple process so if I can do it any1 can.

    I looked as close as possible with out touching the woofers and nothing was burnt or looked damaged in any way. I was not going to screw around with the woofers at all because I'm sure that SVS is going to want to take a very close look.

    Back up and running on a friday night and all is good. BTW, I have everything backed way down and I'm just going to let them slowly snap, crackle and pop their way into a thorough breakin prior to another calibration.

    WHEW!!!

    HBomb
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2003
    Here is half...
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2003
    Audio Research DAC5 and Cal Audio CL20
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2003
    I am real happy with my 2 channel. I actually prefer the sound of my RTA8T's the best for cd and music listening.

    1/2 Twin
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited May 2003
    WTG, Henry! I'm sure SVS will want to see those woofs up close. Good to know - 3.1 ohms as a future reference. Did they include a return shipping label, etc?

    A thanks to them couldn't hurt - ****, that's $600 worth of woofs right there and they took it on faith you didn't blow them by abuse. Most companies would have given you the brush off if both woofs quit at the exact same time and written it off as abuse.

    Geat looks great in the house - nice. Glad you are back in the bass!

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2003
    Originally posted by Dr. Spec
    WTG, Henry! I'm sure SVS will want to see those woofs up close. Good to know - 3.1 ohms as a future reference. Did they include a return shipping label, etc?

    A thanks to them couldn't hurt - ****, that's $600 worth of woofs right there and they took it on faith you didn't blow them by abuse. Most companies would have given you the brush off if both woofs quit at the exact same time and written it off as abuse.

    Geat looks great in the house - nice. Glad you are back in the bass!

    Doc

    It is strange how they both blew and I really appreciate SVS's support in this matter. If you recall my daughter trashed my PSW350 and I did not even think about a warranty issue because it was my fault. In this case I'm totally clueless of what could have happened.

    Last night afer my girs went to bed I shut down my mains and listened to the subs at my normal listening level. I turned on my DAC and started playing around with Direct TV music channels, "for the RAP", and a selection of cd's. I never peaked above ~65dB SPL so I'll let them soak for a few weeks before touching them again. Thats about 15dB down from the mains so I think thats a fair breaking.

    I will also probably refrain from playing them all the time and only put them on when I know I'm critically listening. Even at low levels I'm beginning to wonder if channel surfing may have led to their early demise.

    We'll see.

    HBomb
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited May 2003
    Originally posted by HBombToo
    I will also probably refrain from playing them all the time and only put them on when I know I'm critically listening. Even at low levels I'm beginning to wonder if channel surfing may have led to their early demise.HBomb

    HBomb:

    I have beat the living snot out of my PC+ and it laughs it off and comes back for more. Dual CS+ in your room should be good for 115 dB peaks on playback.

    That woofer is brutally rugged there is no way moderate playback or channel surfing, or the Monster's Inc. sock explosion or anything else you've played cooked those VCs. No way, no how.

    Either somebody got ahold of your system in your absence and destroyed the woofers by gross abuse, they were defective, or a piece of equipment failed and cooked them.

    Don't start doubting your playback levels and handling the SVS' with kid gloves - you didn't hurt those woofs - something else did.

    Doc
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited May 2003
    Pic of the Twin
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