1.2tl listening report

beemer
beemer Posts: 155
edited February 2010 in Vintage Speakers
It's been a few weeks now since I road tripped the 1.2tl's out of PA.

I have sold the Denon POA 2200's the original owner used. I am driving the pair with a single QSC PLX 3402......700W/ch at 8 ohms. This amp is quicker than the Denons, PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing) is much better, and creates far tighter bass and some SERIOUS SLAM!

So far I am quite impressed, not only by the sound but also the overall condition of the pair. I am still running the SL 3000 tweeters. I do plan to order up 8 RDO's soon and drop them in. After that may come some xover mods. You all have posted some detailed info to mod the xovers that I can follow with little difficulty.....one of the things that makes this forum so enjoyable for me is the wealth of good info here. For that I thank all of you. :)

I have been completely and totally pleased with how the big dogs sound. A good balance between resolution and music-friendly. I've been down the super high res speaker route in the past and find as I get older that I do not want to listen to a small pile of high-quality audiophile recordings....I want to enjoy source material that is not so well recorded....Give me MORE music to listen to, not less~!! I find the 1.2tl's to be just forgiving enough to make this possible, and that's a tough act.

Paul
Main system: Levinson Reference 32 Preamp/30.6 DAC/31.5 Transport/Sony SCD777ES/VPI Aries w/SDS JMW 10.5 arm/Van den Hul Frog/Levinson 33 Monoblocks/33H Monoblocks/Transparent reference XL interconnect & Speaker cable/Nearfield Acoustics Pipedream Reference 18 Line Array.
Bedroom: Levinson 390S/380S/ML3/Sony SCD 777ES/McIntosh MC2000/Infinity IRS-Beta
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  • Lord Vader
    Lord Vader Posts: 167
    edited June 2009
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,189
    edited June 2009
    Some still prefer the sl3000's sound over the rdo's.Are you sure you need the swap? great purchase by the way.;)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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  • motorstereo
    motorstereo Posts: 2,151
    edited June 2009
    Hi Paul; Glad to hear you're happy with the 1.2s. Nice pick-up on them. Are they that much better than the 2.3s that you had?
    I also drive my sda's with a qsc amp and think it's a very nice match up as well. Good luck with your mods; I'm betting you'll be especially pleased with the crossover upgrade.
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  • beemer
    beemer Posts: 155
    edited June 2009
    motorstereo wrote: »
    Hi Paul; Glad to hear you're happy with the 1.2s. Nice pick-up on them. Are they that much better than the 2.3s that you had?
    I also drive my sda's with a qsc amp and think it's a very nice match up as well. Good luck with your mods; I'm betting you'll be especially pleased with the crossover upgrade.

    The 2.3tl's are damn close. The best way I can put it is there is just that much "more" with the 1.2tl. However if you own 2.3tl's and are agonizing over the differences, don't! The 2.3tl's are definitely in the hunt. :)

    I'm still walking on air over these. Very impressed for sure. Yesterday I also had a QSC RMX 2450 on them for a while and although slightly less output then the PLX3402, you could clearly hear the sound as different due to the different implementation of Class H topology.

    Paul
    Main system: Levinson Reference 32 Preamp/30.6 DAC/31.5 Transport/Sony SCD777ES/VPI Aries w/SDS JMW 10.5 arm/Van den Hul Frog/Levinson 33 Monoblocks/33H Monoblocks/Transparent reference XL interconnect & Speaker cable/Nearfield Acoustics Pipedream Reference 18 Line Array.
    Bedroom: Levinson 390S/380S/ML3/Sony SCD 777ES/McIntosh MC2000/Infinity IRS-Beta
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,189
    edited July 2009
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    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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  • Deadof_knight
    Deadof_knight Posts: 980
    edited February 2010
    I am wanting a pair of 2.3s in black .... next , looking for a couple pair of sl-3000s now going half and half rdo on my 1.2tls is the plan......
    :cool: " He who dies with the most equipment wins Right ? "

    Denon 3300 Adcom 535 BBe w/sub out 1 pr 4.6s 2 pr of 4 jrs Recent additions Samsung Lns-4095D LCD, Samsung hd-960 DVD, Monster HT-5000 Power center    ,HPSA-1000 18" sealed DiY home sub.:D
    Black Laquer 1.2tl's w/ upgraded x-overs and Tweets BI-Amped with 2 Carver tfm-35's Knukonceptz 10ga cables
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2010
    Deadof_knight wrote: »
    I am wanting a pair of 2.3s in black .... next , looking for a couple pair of sl-3000s now going half and half rdo on my 1.2tls is the plan......

    I'm very curious as to what type of benefit you expect to hear going "half and half" with the 3000s and the 198s?
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  • Deadof_knight
    Deadof_knight Posts: 980
    edited February 2010
    I want a little more sharpness or brightness that the 3000's give but not too much half and half should be pleasant too me ....
    :cool: " He who dies with the most equipment wins Right ? "

    Denon 3300 Adcom 535 BBe w/sub out 1 pr 4.6s 2 pr of 4 jrs Recent additions Samsung Lns-4095D LCD, Samsung hd-960 DVD, Monster HT-5000 Power center    ,HPSA-1000 18" sealed DiY home sub.:D
    Black Laquer 1.2tl's w/ upgraded x-overs and Tweets BI-Amped with 2 Carver tfm-35's Knukonceptz 10ga cables
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  • TNTsTunes
    TNTsTunes Posts: 751
    edited February 2010
    Which tweeter's in the arrangement are you planing on using the SL3000's for?
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    a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,754
    edited February 2010
    Deadof_knight wrote: »
    I want a little more sharpness or brightness that the 3000's give but not too much half and half should be pleasant too me ....


    It's going to sound funky at best. I tried it, ordered the rest of the RD0's the next day and never looked back.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited February 2010
    Deadof_knight wrote: »
    I am wanting a pair of 2.3s in black .... next , looking for a couple pair of sl-3000s now going half and half rdo on my 1.2tls is the plan......

    At minimum I would think there would be some phasing issues as well as some timbre matching issues. The progressive point source needs identical tweets to perform best. Certainly no hurt in trying it as you can always order more.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,754
    edited February 2010
    as well as some timbre matching issues

    Yep, as I said, funky at best. I'll even go further and say that anyone who thinks it sounds good should have their hearing checked because something is wrong.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • chandler9a
    chandler9a Posts: 878
    edited February 2010
    I've heard the 1.2TLs with half n half tweeters and can guarantee that they sound better with all of them matching and the RDO's being my choice for the right one.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,091
    edited February 2010
    Before I went and spent a ton on x-over upgrades and so forth, I'd ditch the pro amp and look for something a little higher up the food chain.

    YMMV

    BDt
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited February 2010
    Great advice Troy.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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