Active vs passive SDA's

ben62670
ben62670 Posts: 15,969
edited June 2009 in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
Active kills passive in all ways period.
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  • Ender
    Ender Posts: 603
    edited June 2009
    You're talking crossover, right?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    Yes.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2009
    You mean you don't like power robbing and coloring passive components? Say it ain't so? :)
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Active kills passive in all ways period.
    I'm calling BS on that one.;):D
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited June 2009
    But that requires more amps... :(
  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,092
    edited June 2009
    Sure they do sound better, but in reality hardly anybody will do that. Glad to hear yours sound great.

    What kind of active Xover do you use...a DIY?
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    Guys it is about the SQ. I have tried many caps. Inductors suck. Read about them. Big deal the extra amp for the highs cost less than the upgrade parts some of you pay for. You don't need 200wpc on the highs!
    Also If I had the coin I could run tubes on the highs.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    Sure they do sound better, but in reality hardly anybody will do that. Glad to hear yours sound great.

    What kind of active Xover do you use...a DIY?

    Come down.
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  • ShinAce
    ShinAce Posts: 1,194
    edited June 2009
    Not only do the coils and caps color the sound, they also create unneccessary loads on the amplifier.

    Actively crossed over electrostatics? *drool* Now that would be a treat.
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2009
    When I can afford 4 or 6 channels of quality tube amplification, I'm in.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited June 2009
    Face wrote: »
    When I can afford 4 or 6 channels of quality tube amplification, I'm in.

    You should just build one!
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited June 2009
    With availability and size of chip amps, wouldn't it be easy to just install a few in a speaker and make them a true powered design? Then all you would have to do is run ICs from your electronic XO to the speakers.
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2009
    zingo wrote: »
    You should just build one!
    If I found a kit that I knew would sound as good as what I'm currently using, I would consider it. Otherwise, too much time and $$$ to take a chance.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2009
    zingo wrote: »
    With availability and size of chip amps, wouldn't it be easy to just install a few in a speaker and make them a true powered design? Then all you would have to do is run ICs from your electronic XO to the speakers.

    PE sells a 2way active xover/ amp combo that can be mounted into the back of an enclosure.( like a plate amp on a sub).It uses a pair LM3886's for amplification.Mated with a decent woofer and tweet could make for a nice little monitor or PC speaker.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    I will never go back!
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2009
    Are you still using the XM1 modules?
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  • Ender
    Ender Posts: 603
    edited June 2009
    Couple questions:

    1) Is an active crossover external?
    2) If speakers already have their own internal passive crossover, there's no way to bypass them, right? So that means you can only use active crossover on speakers without a crossover network?
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2009
    Ender wrote: »
    Couple questions:

    1) Is an active crossover external?
    Yes it's electronically similar to a preamp but with specalized filters for the crossover functions.
    2) If speakers already have their own internal passive crossover, there's no way to bypass them, right? So that means you can only use active crossover on speakers without a crossover network?
    There are a few DIY designs that combine active and passive xovers but the big benifits of actives are achieved when passive components are removed allowing for a direct connection between the amplifier and drivers.The down side is complexity as an amplifier channel is required for each individual driver.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited June 2009
    Ender wrote: »
    2) If speakers already have their own internal passive crossover, there's no way to bypass them, right? So that means you can only use active crossover on speakers without a crossover network?

    It would be pretty easy to bypass or remove an internal XO if you wanted to use an external electric. The only down side is you would have to add binding posts for each driver or set of drivers; although this would be ideal if you have a speaker that is a two way design and bi-amp binding posts.