Looks like Hawaii will be our first line of defense

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edited June 2009 in The Clubhouse
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited June 2009
    The 'bullet vs. bullet' technology has been around since the mid 90's. I don't think Keiko has much to worry about.
    Not with CINCPACFLT parked in his backyard.:rolleyes:
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited June 2009
    Just thought it was an interesting article, With Norfolk Naval Base in my backyard sometimes you feel like the biggest target in the world.
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  • petrym
    petrym Posts: 1,912
    edited June 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    Knucklehead,

    Don'cha mean Norfolk Naval Base, Yorktown Naval Weapons Station, Langely Airforce Base, Ft. Eustis, Camp Perry, Oceana, Newport News Shipyard, Surry Nuclear power plant.. etc..

    Man, I've long come to terms with the fact that if **** really went down.. I'll be glowin' in no time. As for Hawaii,.. psh, who needs em'?
    I'm right next to Offutt AFB... that, Washington DC and NORAD HQ are targets one, two, and three. I'll be a Kingsford Kid Polkie!
  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited June 2009
    No you won't, you'll be vapor, maybe a little dust...
  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited June 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    Knucklehead,

    Don'cha mean Norfolk Naval Base, Yorktown Naval Weapons Station, Langely Airforce Base, Ft. Eustis, Camp Perry, Oceana, Newport News Shipyard, Surry Nuclear power plant.. etc..

    Man, I've long come to terms with the fact that if **** really went down.. I'll be glowin' in no time. As for Hawaii,.. psh, who needs em'?

    Zero, you are soooooo right.:eek:
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited June 2009
    Hawaiian girls look like THAT? Now I really want to go :D
  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited June 2009
    Just thought it was an interesting article, With Norfolk Naval Base in my backyard sometimes you feel like the biggest target in the world.

    Same for San Diego......
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited June 2009
    I’m certainly not a Neocon, or even close, but North Korea is, in my mind, the first, and only, viable candidate for Bush’s pre-emptive military strike policy. A few B2 bombers, and some cruise missiles, should put an end to their nuclear crap. Iran is a different story. They are religious nuts, versus just plain nuts.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited June 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I’m certainly not a Neocon, or even close, but North Korea is, in my mind, the first, and only, viable candidate for Bush’s pre-emptive military strike policy. A few B2 bombers, and some cruise missiles, should put an end to their nuclear crap. Iran is a different story. They are religious nuts, versus just plain nuts.

    I agree, I've been reading up on them and what they can do. That Kim Jong guy is just wanting to be taken out. He's really asking for it. Time will tell.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2009
    a little nuclear cleansing is not a bad thing.;)
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited June 2009
    Is the sky falling again? It looks like a nice day here in Jersey.
  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited June 2009
    Is the sky falling again? It looks like a nice day here in Jersey.

    It's hot as all hell out here in Japan.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2009
    wrote: »
    military and other assessments suggest the communist nation probably could not hit the westernmost U.S. state if it tried, officials said

    yes, US officials should be antagonizing N Korea...'you cant get us if you tried':rolleyes:
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,842
    edited June 2009
    Ummm...Hawaii has ALWAYS been our first line of defense. Why do you think we have it and went after it in the first place?

    It has extreme strategic value with a large enough landmass to support millions of people as well as multiple protected harbors and spaces for airfields.

    From Hawaii, you can protect or defend any major target in the Pacific Theater. With modern radar systems you can get an early warning detection of any land, sea or air based force and move to intercept long before that force ever reaches the other side of the ocean.

    This is nothing new and if you saw the defenses that were there now, you'd shrug this off as routine life-cycle maintenance for the stuff that's already there. Hawaii is a veritable paradise with beautiful scenery, lovely aromas and excellent company...and that's just the women! But the place bristles with half of the entire Pacific Fleet's fire power as well as multiple bomber and fighter wings and more Marines and Army than you can shake a stick at.

    In 1944, Pearl Harbor was an easy target. You try to get there now when you aren't allowed...I pity your soul 'cause you're a dead man.

    Besides, missile threats? BAH! I say! BAH! There are at least 6 guided missile cruisers in Hawaii or out of Hawaii right now that have the ballistic missile defense system. There isn't anything N. Korea has right now that that system can't take out.

    If anything, the systems they are sending now are just land based, fixed versions of the BMD system.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited June 2009
    BRING IT ON!!!:p
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  • BrettT1
    BrettT1 Posts: 560
    edited June 2009
    projectiles are good
  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited June 2009
    All of this sounds like a reprise of when we figured out that the Soviet Union (and now) Russia had nukes pointed at us during the 1950s..... I'm not pissing away time and funds to build a bomb shelter in my back yard... this time.

    Keiko, could you show us all some more pics of your ICBM defense system? My long term bet is there! :D
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited June 2009
    Sherardp wrote: »
    It's hot as all hell out here in Japan.

    Pfff . . . at least you got the seasons where you are at. The weather in Malaysia is the only place in the world where weather forecasters are always right. Lets see the 284 day outlook says the rest of the year and into 2010 is going to be sunny with a chance of evening clouds with a high of 93 degrees.
  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited June 2009
    Jstas wrote: »
    as well as multiple bomber and fighter wings...


    Started going a little "Belushi" towards the end there John.

    For just about my entire career, the only fighters or bombers permanently stationed at Hickam AFB, was a single squadron of Hawaii Air Guard F-4 or F-15 interceptors. Maybe 18 aircraft total. Mai Tai was their day to day call sign, so when we refueled them, if it was their first flight of the day, you worked with Mai Tai 01, 02, 03 and 04. Second flight of the day would be 11-14, third flight 21-24 and so forth. They had no air to ground, or air to ship mission. Strictly aerial interceptors for the air to air arena.

    In recent years, the Air Force has utilized "composite" wings. These are units that consist of just about everything. Bombers, fighters, tankers, etc. In no way shape or form are there multiple bomb or fighter wings at Hickam. Bear in mind a wing is made up of at least two or more groups, and each group is made up of at least two or more squadrons. Wings are pretty big affairs when done correctly. They might have 6 or 8 B-1's attached to this wing at Hickam.

    Andersen AFB on Guam is becoming the big spot airwise in the Pacific.
  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,842
    edited June 2009
    There are quite a few Marine and Navy groups as well and Hickam is not the only airfield in Hawaii, George. Add to that the carriers with their planes and helicopters also and a formidable air power is stationed in Hawaii. Even though there aren't any carrier battle groups stationed in Hawaii, there are multiple Marine Corps carriers.

    From what I know, these either have air fields at them or heliports except for Barking Sands which has a small air field and heliport but is mostly missiles for the PMRF which is the Navy.

    Dillingham -- Army
    Bradshaw -- Army
    Wheeler -- Army
    Kunia Field -- Army
    Hickam -- Air Force
    Barbers Point -- Coast Guard
    Barbers Point -- Navy
    Kaneohe Bay -- Marines
    Pearl Harbor -- Navy
    Pearl Harbor -- Marines
    Pearl Habor -- Coast Guard
    Barking Sands -- Navy (PMRF)

    And bombers doesn't necessarily mean heavy bombers nor does it mean just Air Force. The Air Force doesn't have a whole lot out there but the Navy does and so do the Marines. The Navy has over 3,000 air craft in the Pacific Fleet alone and a good chunk of them are in Hawaii.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited June 2009
    And bombers doesn't necessarily mean heavy bombers nor does it mean just Air Force. [/QUOTE]

    It does "when you care to send the very best" just like Hallmark Cards.

    All those locations and agencies that own/operate the assets stationed at them, are largely units that will deploy to a forward operating location and bring the battle to an enemy from that location. They will not sit and defend the Hawaiian Islands. A casual observer, myself included, might interpret your original statement to mean all these assets are there strictly for the defense of Pearl Harbor and the Hawaiian Islands, when they are not. As I said, throughout my entire career it was a single squadron of Air Guard interceptors. In 1979, the first trip I made, to the last trip sometime around 2006, a single squadron of Air Guard interceptors. Missile sites and stuff like that? Probably someplace.
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited June 2009
    I think they should move the islands more NE to save on air travel and shipping costs for us CONUS folks. I'm with Keiko, no worries, justa pocket sized dictator flexing....seeing where the real boundaries exist.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited June 2009
    The man knows that if he launches something and it MISSES Hawaii by 500 miles his domain is still getting lit up.
  • CaligulaPolk
    CaligulaPolk Posts: 1,650
    edited June 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    I will hold back the projectiles. :mad:

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