NFL Player gets drunk, kills someone with $200K car, gets 30 days in jail

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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2009
    nadams wrote: »
    Was that with a breathalyzer, though? Chances are, you wouldn't have passed. I agree that the breathalyzer isn't the ultimate test. I know that when I started drinking, 2 beers and I'd be buzzed. Now, it takes me at least 6 to feel anything. I don't know what number I'd blow in that situation, because I've never been pulled over. They either have to have probable cause, or catch you in a checkpoint.

    Now here's a question... If you fail a breathalyzer, but pass the field sobriety test... are you drunk? So your breath says that you just had a beer or two, but you can walk, talk, touch your nose, and all else just fine... are you impaired? By the law, I'd guess so.

    The problem is that a field sobriety test is subjective, and a breathalyzer is OBjective. While I agree with everyone that BAC, especially as indicated from a breathalyzer, is not an ideal way of measuring impairment, in the eyes of the law it's the only way to measurably enforce a limit.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited June 2009
    Sad fact is..... this guy was killed by a drunk driver. Whether he tried to stop/swerve or not is unknown due to the fact that im sure his car had anti-lock brakes which left no skid marks.

    Yes, the average guy would have been "up the creek without a paddle" on this one.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited June 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    The real crime here is that this idiot got into the U.S. in the first place. If we had border security, an american citizen would still be alive, and his family and friends would have the joy of many more years with their loved one. What about the rights of every day americans... now our tax dollars get to support this a$$hat for the next 40 years.

    When did we trade Mexico for Ecuador? I must not be keeping up with my continental drift.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited June 2009
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    it does seem a little weird that he had time to both honk, and flash, but not enough time to brake or swerve.....hmmm :rolleyes:

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  • average_guy
    average_guy Posts: 236
    edited June 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Well said Shack... Is there any word on whether or not he will be allowed to play football during the next two years? He may have lost his career as well...

    The NFL Commissioner had broad and vague powers in regard to suspensions.

    I believe there is a similar precendent where the player got an 8 game suspension, which may or may not figure into the resolution of this case.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited June 2009
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    It does seem a little weird that he had time to both honk, and flash, but not enough time to brake or swerve.....hmmm :rolleyes:
    As someone who has made contact with a pedestrian using a vehicle, I can assure you that you can do all sorts of things and still not be able to stop in time. I had all 4 wheels locked up and was skidding through the guy and there wasn't anything I could do.......

    I didn't go to jail, didn't get a ticket, and I wasn't drunk.....
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  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited June 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    The real crime here is that this idiot got into the U.S. in the first place. If we had border security, an american citizen would still be alive, and his family and friends would have the joy of many more years with their loved one. What about the rights of every day americans... now our tax dollars get to support this a$$hat for the next 40 years.

    Actually, the REAL crime here is that he killed that man in anger (premeditated)(at least...that's how I interpreted that article).

    I agree though, way too many illegal immigrants.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited June 2009
    I'm still failing to see how someone "illegally immigrates" from Ecuador. Maybe trek through Central America?
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited June 2009
    zombie boy 2000 wrote: »
    I'm still failing to see how someone "illegally immigrates" from Ecuador. Maybe trek through Central America?

    That's why the border fence is such a good idea. Once you walk from Central America there's no way you've got the energy to climb a fence...
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  • dave shepard
    dave shepard Posts: 1,334
    edited June 2009
    Give everything he ownes to someone who needs it and give all his money to help the family he hurt and send him back to the hood after his 10-15yrs in prison.
    He's a f#@king looser.

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  • mark090852
    mark090852 Posts: 996
    edited June 2009
    zombie boy 2000 wrote: »
    I'm still failing to see how someone "illegally immigrates" from Ecuador. Maybe trek through Central America?

    Not sure what you don't understand. If he is a citizen of Ecuador and enters the US illegally he is an "illegal immigrant from Ecuador". What his pathway to the US was is irrelevant. Doesn't matter if he came through Mexico, Canada, or by sea.
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited June 2009
    If this guy driving the Bentley was a Kennedy I wonder if there would be this much symphathy on this forum. They were both wrong and both should get serious jail time.

    Wake up.

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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited June 2009
    He was "suspended indefinately" by Roger Godell today. 30 days in the slam for killing someone? What a joke.
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  • average_guy
    average_guy Posts: 236
    edited June 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    *throws a wal-mart ad on the floor to pacify the crowd here*

    :eek::eek::eek: wait..its okay...if I take an add to Wal-Mart it is the competitor's ad, which Wal-Mart will "Always" match. :D:D:D
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2009
    messiah wrote: »
    30 days in the slam for killing someone? What a joke.

    He was essentially found not at fault (or not fully at fault) for "killing someone." If someone jumped in front of your car tomorrow and died, how long do you think YOU shoudl go to jail?
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  • renowilliams
    renowilliams Posts: 920
    edited June 2009
    A friend of my sister was driving an 18 wheeler and dosed off momentarily while on a two lane hyway somewhere in the US. As a result he smashed into a car that was stopped in the middle of the road with no lights on and killed three people ( two of them were young kids). He spent 6 years in a state prison for his mistake. He was only driving an 18 wheeler about a year and was 22 at the time.
    No question he had a large responsibility for his role in the accident. Was he totally at fault for the accident, I for one don't think so.
    He made an error in judgement when he did not stop for the night, when he first realized he was getting tired. The guy who stopped in the middle of the road made a huge mistake. His boss made a mistake putting pressure on a young guy to keep driving that night.
    I guess what I'm saying is that there usually is a lot more going on then what you read in a news report and we all make errors in judgement at one time or another. I think we have a tendency to judge rich and famous people higher standard than we would someone in our economic status. Not all of them are spoiled babies trying to get away with murder.

    In my opinion, you have to look at all the factors relating to the accident as well as the history of all individuals involved before making any judgements.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,987
    edited June 2009
    I'd like to slide in here for a moment and remind everybody that drinking one 16oz beer in NC/SC makes you legally drunk. One beer. Those who have made some outlandish comments on this thread, let me ask you this......have you ever gone somewhere to drink one beer and had someone run out in front of you, killing them?

    In the past two weeks, we had a fella fatally hit real close to my house because he ran out in front of a car stark nekkid and got hit by a sober driver. Should the sentence be the same because he/she was driving a Toyota -vs- a Bentley? Should the sentence be the same because the sober person driving wasn't rich? Should it be the same because the sober person wasn't famous? Should it be the same because he was sober or he [hypothetically] had one beer?

    Never mind those questions and let me ask you this. Can those who have made some rather extreme statements in this thread tell me that they have never gotten into a vehicle and drove after enjoying one beer?

    If you have, then you have no room to talk as you are just as guilty as this football player. The only difference is that you got lucky.

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  • average_guy
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    edited June 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »
    I'd like to slide in here for a moment and remind everybody that drinking one 16oz beer in NC/SC makes you legally drunk. One beer. Those who have made some outlandish comments on this thread, let me ask you this......have you ever gone somewhere to drink one beer and had someone run out in front of you, killing them?

    In the past two weeks, we had a fella fatally hit real close to my house because he ran out in front of a car stark nekkid and got hit by a sober driver. Should the sentence be the same because he/she was driving a Toyota -vs- a Bentley? Should the sentence be the same because the sober person driving wasn't rich? Should it be the same because the sober person wasn't famous? Should it be the same because he was sober or he [hypothetically] had one beer?

    Never mind those questions and let me ask you this. Can those who have made some rather extreme statements in this thread tell me that they have never gotten into a vehicle and drove after enjoying one beer?

    If you have, then you have no room to talk as you are just as guilty as this football player. The only difference is that you got lucky.

    Think I'll slide out now........

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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited June 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »

    In the past two weeks, we had a fella hit real close to my house because he ran out in front of a car stark nekkid

    Another one escaped from your basement. . . .:D
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited June 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »
    I'd like to slide in here for a moment and remind everybody that drinking one 16oz beer in NC/SC makes you legally drunk. One beer. Those who have made some outlandish comments on this thread, let me ask you this......have you ever gone somewhere to drink one beer and had someone run out in front of you, killing them?

    In the past two weeks, we had a fella fatally hit real close to my house because he ran out in front of a car stark nekkid and got hit by a sober driver. Should the sentence be the same because he/she was driving a Toyota -vs- a Bentley? Should the sentence be the same because the sober person driving wasn't rich? Should it be the same because the sober person wasn't famous? Should it be the same because he was sober or he [hypothetically] had one beer?

    Never mind those questions and let me ask you this. Can those who have made some rather extreme statements in this thread tell me that they have never gotten into a vehicle and drove after enjoying one beer?

    If you have, then you have no room to talk as you are just as guilty as this football player. The only difference is that you got lucky.

    Think I'll slide out now........
    Getting into a vehicle and driving after one beer wasnt the case here, he had been out partying all night according to his own words and he wasnt at the legal limit he was roughly 60% over the legal limit and that was most likely a few hours after the police showed up because there was blood drawn which would have been most likely done at a hospital, and a .12 + BAC for a fellow as big as he is is far more than one beer. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that if the case had went to trial he would have received a much longer sentence. Trust me if he was innocent he would have never done a plea bargain his lawyers would have advised against it.

    There are people out there who can and will be impaired enough that they are in no shape to drive after even one beer and there are others who could drink a 12 pack and be fine, everyones metabolism is different but there has to be some standard to decide what that is and if you are over the .08 you are legally drunk simple as that, if it takes you one beer to achieve that then dont drive period.

    My issue with this is the sentence he recieved, not whether he is or isnt guilty. lose your mother/father child to a drunk driver and tell me that 30 days is a fair sentence, I dont care how much money anyone offers you, you wont be a happy camper.



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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2009
    snow wrote:
    My issue with this is the sentence he recieved, not whether he is or isnt guilty. lose your mother/father child to a drunk driver and tell me that 30 days is a fair sentence, I dont care how much money anyone offers you, you wont be a happy camper.

    The relatives of the victim it THIS CASE evidently were satisfied with the sentence.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,380
    edited June 2009
    snow wrote: »
    My issue with this is the sentence he recieved, not whether he is or isnt guilty. lose your mother/father child to a drunk driver and tell me that 30 days is a fair sentence, I dont care how much money anyone offers you, you wont be a happy camper.


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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited June 2009
    shack wrote: »
    The relatives of the victim it THIS CASE evidently were satisfied with the sentence.
    Yea right :rolleyes: I am absolutley 100% percent positive that in there accepting a settlement that there was an clause to pubically anounce that they were satisfied. Not that they were satisfied. In doing so they were making the best out of a very bad situation.



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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2009
    I'm 100% positive of what they said (assuming the quotes are correct). Since I (like you) am not a mind reader that is all I have to go on. Maybe you spoke with them and know something the rest of us don't. :rolleyes:
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited June 2009
    shack wrote: »
    I'm 100% positive of what they said (assuming the quotes are correct). Since I (like you) am not a mind reader that is all I have to go on. Maybe you spoke with them and know something the rest of us don't. :rolleyes:
    It doesnt take a mind reader to know that if you have any soul at all that you yourself would not be happy with a 30 day sentence if someone driving drunk ran over and killed someone you loved, its not a giant leap to conclude they would feel the same way, no matter how much money was paid. And you being in the posistion you are as a banker and being smarter than the average bear know full well if you were the lawyer/s involved that you would insist as part of the settlement the family publically announcing there satisfaction in the resolvement of this case.

    The only good thing to come out of this is if there is such a thing is that the driver that killed him was wealthy and driving a Bentley not someone broke and under insured or uninsured driving a 85 ford escort or some such. At least the family will be able to support themselves now without the father, even if he had gotten life in prison it wouldndt bring him back or help care for the family without the money.

    I guess that there will always be differing oppinions with these types of threads and maybe im just a blood thirsty revengeful type but I hate drunk drivers. :)



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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited June 2009
    If someone killed someone I loved with a car, I'd want to stab them in the eyes and throat with a rusty steak knife, that doesn't mean it's "right" or "just." Everyone responds differently to these things; this family obviously felt that a large settlement was sufficient punishment / compensation. You keep saying they were coerced into signing a statement; they accepted the settlement, and the statement was part of it (assuming such a thing exists, which I do not believe), so on some level they were obviously OK with it. If some sort of jailhouse vengeance was more important, they wouldn't have taken the cash or signed this imaginary document that forces them to be happy with it.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited June 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    If someone killed someone I loved with a car, I'd want to stab them in the eyes and throat with a rusty steak knife, that doesn't mean it's "right" or "just." Everyone responds differently to these things; this family obviously felt that a large settlement was sufficient punishment / compensation. You keep saying they were coerced into signing a statement; they accepted the settlement, and the statement was part of it (assuming such a thing exists, which I do not believe), so on some level they were obviously OK with it. If some sort of jailhouse vengeance was more important, they wouldn't have taken the cash or signed this imaginary document that forces them to be happy with it.
    Lmao.This is turning into a pretty good discussion. I dont think the family necessarily feels that a large settlement is sufficent punishment but that it was the best of a bad situation.

    They could have sued the driver and not received a penny for years and still have to accept to whatever plea bargain was struck because they dont get to choose the punishment in a plea bargain that is up to the district attorney and defense attorney/s.


    And yes there is no doubt at all in my mind that there was/is some clause written into that settlement regarding a public statement and what the family can and cant publically say. If you were a lawyer you would insist on it or face the possibilty and in fact likelyhood of you yourself being sued for not representing your client properly.


    Of course my oppinion is just that my oppinion :D

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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,771
    edited June 2009
    snow wrote: »
    It doesnt take a mind reader to know that if you have any soul at all that you yourself would not be happy with a 30 day sentence if someone driving drunk ran over and killed someone you loved, its not a giant leap to conclude they would feel the same way, no matter how much money was paid.
    REGARDS SNOW

    As long as were guessing. Maybe she was no longer happily married, and would have settled for half the amount.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited June 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    As long as were guessing. Maybe she was no longer happily married, and would have settled for half the amount.
    Please reread my quote. :D
    snow wrote: »
    If someone driving drunk ran over and killed someone you "loved"

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  • BrettT1
    BrettT1 Posts: 560
    edited June 2009
    If I did what he did I'd be in prison for 20 years. It's **** that money can buy your way out of the justice system. Oh well.
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