Shun Mook. Interesting topic. Truth or Lie
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I knew this girl named Shun Mook once. She shunned me after I mooked her.
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100% hogwash.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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Maybe so, but Resiroth appears to be lumping it together with anything that's not regular zip cord.100% hogwash."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
A striking resemblance to Michelle Yeoh there, Keiko. One of my favorites!
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Maybe so, but Resiroth appears to be lumping it together with anything that's not regular zip cord.
Why not? If you look for reviews of the Shun Mook products, you will find many reviewers who claim to hear an improvement, just like cables. They also have just as much evidence to back up their claims, which is absolutely none.
So what's the difference? Both snake oil. -
Bernal, if you are quoting from some source, please use the quote feature otherwise it appears that you are selling the products yourself. You aren't, are you?
As for blind tests, they are completely worthless.
Finut,
You're right this is a quote from a Shun Mook site. I looked it up immediately because I didn't have a clue as to what a Mook was. But I think Keiko snagged it above.
cnhCurrently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
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Why not? If you look for reviews of the Shun Mook products, you will find many reviewers who claim to hear an improvement, just like cables. They also have just as much evidence to back up their claims, which is absolutely none.
So what's the difference? Both snake oil.
Well if you say so. I better ditch my MIT ICs & Speaker cables and put my monoprice cables back on.
Oh wait! I tried that already! I better not as I don't want my rig to sound like I have mattresses over the speakers again.:rolleyes: -
As usual, nothing but trolling from Keiko.
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I have tried speaker wires on 4,000 pair speaker systems and no one noticed a difference. I think the parallels between shun mook and expensive speaker wire are accurate. Sure, buy expensive speaker wire if you hear a difference, just know that there is no more evidence for speaker wire than shun mook. Buy shun mook if you hear the difference, same thing. And for the record I and my peers do not use lamp cord, we use monoprice or similar cheap low gauge wire, for looks.Delete this account
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I don't know why all you guys hate lamp cords. My lamps all have them and the light bulbs work fine!
cnhCurrently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
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I think before you start down this road you should go to a High end store and listen to some lampcord wires and then go to the bathroom and use an earwax removal kit from Walmart... then go back and listen again.Why not? If you look for reviews of the Shun Mook products, you will find many reviewers who claim to hear an improvement, just like cables. They also have just as much evidence to back up their claims, which is absolutely none.
So what's the difference? Both snake oil.
From Resiroth...I have tried speaker wires on 4,000 pair speaker systems and no one noticed a difference. I think the parallels between shun mook and expensive speaker wire are accurate. Sure, buy expensive speaker wire if you hear a difference, just know that there is no more evidence for speaker wire than shun mook. Buy shun mook if you hear the difference, same thing. And for the record I and my peers do not use lamp cord, we use monoprice or similar cheap low gauge wire, for looks.
I am putting odds that this is the new incarnation of seafire(seafart) at 2to1... any takers?:rolleyes:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
This is one of the top threads to come along CP in a long time. Flames from all directions. Nice!Do you hear that buzzing noise?
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lets not forget Keiko and the hotness that keeps showing upThe Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Way to ignore the point of my post. I have no idea who seafire is. I am sure williamM2 has compared speaker wire and didn't notice a difference, like a lot of audiophiles.
Perhaps you cannot bear to face the fact that your 3500 dollar amp is no different than a thousand dollar amp. sure it may have .000001% distortion, but people are not able to hear that small of a difference. If you want to show that it makes an audible difference over say, shun mook or any other dubious audiophile hardware quantifiable proof is required. This is only if you want to gain any legitimacy though, plenty of people swear by shun mook/magic foil/carbon fiber stands etc. which is fine.
If a video is shot at 10000fps it is clearly superior to a video shot at 1000 fps. Can you tell the difference though? No. You are living in a fantasy world. Have you considered a new clock? Reviewers have raved about it. It makes music just that much better! There's no evidence to support these claims, but the same goes for ultra expensive speaker wire.
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue23/clock_nespa.htm
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina41.htmDelete this account -
Machine Dynamica and people who fall for their **** give audiophiles a bad name.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that funny.I am sure williamM2 has compared speaker wire and didn't notice a difference, like a lot of audiophiles."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Machine Dynamica and people who fall for their **** give audiophiles a bad name.
Just as cable fanatics do.I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that funny.
Don't know why you'd find it funny. I've compared many cables over the years, I used to buy into the BS just like you.
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I have tried speaker wires on 4,000 pair speaker systems and no one noticed a difference. I think the parallels between shun mook and expensive speaker wire are accurate. Sure, buy expensive speaker wire if you hear a difference, just know that there is no more evidence for speaker wire than shun mook. Buy shun mook if you hear the difference, same thing. And for the record I and my peers do not use lamp cord, we use monoprice or similar cheap low gauge wire, for looks.
You contradicted yourself above. The evidence is what I've heard with my own ears concering speaker wire and ICs and that is all the evidence I need. -
Way to ignore the point of my post. I have no idea who seafire is. I am sure williamM2 has compared speaker wire and didn't notice a difference, like a lot of audiophiles.
Perhaps you cannot bear to face the fact that your 3500 dollar amp is no different than a thousand dollar amp. sure it may have .000001% distortion, but people are not able to hear that small of a difference. If you want to show that it makes an audible difference over say, shun mook or any other dubious audiophile hardware quantifiable proof is required. This is only if you want to gain any legitimacy though, plenty of people swear by shun mook/magic foil/carbon fiber stands etc. which is fine.
If a video is shot at 10000fps it is clearly superior to a video shot at 1000 fps. Can you tell the difference though? No. You are living in a fantasy world. Have you considered a new clock? Reviewers have raved about it. It makes music just that much better! There's no evidence to support these claims, but the same goes for ultra expensive speaker wire.
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue23/clock_nespa.htm
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina41.htm
I'll pit my Trivista 300 against any $1k amp and tell you the difference blindfolded, one hand tied behind my back and standing on one foot if that's what you like. -
You are aware that what your brain expects to hear, it hears right? What you hear is not related to what sound waves enter your ear canal, only how your brain processes these signals.
There is a big fuss over the following clip:
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=10356884
Click on the video link to hear it. If you expect to hear f**king around you hear f**king around. If you expect to hear looking around you hear looking around. You ear is not even remote proof. This is basic psychology. I can't believe people are not aware of these basic facts.
Seriously, try thinking to yourself it will sound like f**cking around and then you'll hear it. Tell yourself it will sound like looking around and you will hear looking around.
So, you say machina dynamica is BS. Are carbon fiber stands BS? Is shun mook BS? Are 10,000 dollar amplifiers BS? Are 10,000 dollar cables BS? Are 5,000 dollar record players BS? Are 1,000 dollar cleaning solutions ( for records ) BS? Chances are you think at least some of these products are bullcrap, and yet many popular audiophile magazines claim the skies opened and it unlocked a whole new world of fantastic auditory experiences yada yada...Delete this account -
I try not to quantify price with performance. See below.So, you say machina dynamica is BS. Are carbon fiber stands BS? Is shun mook BS? Are 10,000 dollar amplifiers BS? Are 10,000 dollar cables BS? Are 5,000 dollar record players BS? Are 1,000 dollar cleaning solutions ( for records ) BS? Chances are you think at least some of these products are bullcrap, and yet many popular audiophile magazines claim the skies opened and it unlocked a whole new world of fantastic auditory experiences yada yada...
I've had blind tests here with friends a few times. We've compared cables, CDP's, capacitors, and who knows what else. Sometimes we've had a hard time telling cables apart, and other times differences were obvious. Sorry to hear you haven't had the same experience. Fortunately, it's not always the most expensive item that comes up on top.I've also compared them blind, something I doubt any of you "believers" have done."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
hearingimpared wrote: »I'll pit my Trivista 300 against any $1k amp and tell you the difference blindfolded, one hand tied behind my back and standing on one foot if that's what you like.
Amplifiers make more sense than speaker wires to spend absurd amounts of money on as they can have different sound characteristics ( tube etc. ). There is likely an amplifier for 1,000 that would indistinguishable from your amplifier. Now if you can tell the difference between 12 gauge normal speaker wire and 10,000 dollar + wire you'd be the first. Literally, the first. No one has done that in a double blind test so far.Delete this account -
Out of what, your small group of friends?Now if you can tell the difference between 12 gauge normal speaker wire and 10,000 dollar + wire you'd be the first. Literally, the first. No one has done that in a double blind test so far."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Out of many many many double blind tests. If you believe you can tell the difference, go ahead and take one of the many challenges that are out there. So far no one has been able to get anywhere near 95% accuracy between cables. Again, you hear what you expect to hear. That's plain and simple psychology.Delete this account
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There was a post a few days ago regarding the electrical characteristics (inductance, capacitance, resistance) of various speaker wires, and it showed a wide range of variance in the different cable brands measured. However, it did not make any conclusion as to whether those differences were audible, it simply measured the cables. Anyway, at least to me, it certainly seems plausible that cables with different electrical characteristics, acting as an electrical signal transport between two devices, could possibly influence that electrical signal. If the signal were being used to drive a speaker then that change certainly could be audible.
Anyway, the point I am trying to make is, in my mind at least, it certainly is possible that speaker cables can enhance, or degrade, the electrical signal sufficiently so that it is audible.
As the article on blind testing pointed out, it is necessary to become familiar with the sound of the equipment before nuances of change can be definitively heard. After I had my current setup for a month or so I upgraded my speaker wire from 12 gauge hardware store cable to $400 for an 8 foot pair cable, and I was amazed at the increase in detail, openness, and clarity that resulted. At that point I understood that the speaker cable did make a difference. A few weeks later I upgraded my SPDIF interconnect, and it too had the same positive effect. Not that the inexpensive cables I was using before sounded bad, it just sounded a lot better now.
Of course, it is going to be a long time before I feel like spending the really big bucks for cables to see if that makes a substantial improvement over my modest upgrades.
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Out of many many many double blind tests. If you believe you can tell the difference, go ahead and take one of the many challenges that are out there. So far no one has been able to get anywhere near 95% accuracy between cables. Again, you hear what you expect to hear. That's plain and simple psychology.
I'm just curious how many double blind tests have been performed? I've conducted dozens of speaker and IC tests and was able to tell the difference MOST not all most of the time. That's how I've ended up with MIT ICs and speaker wires. I'm happy with what I've got now but when the bug hits and the funds are available I'm sure I'll find better out there without double blind testing. -
Pie's are ready....
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There was a post a few days ago regarding the electrical characteristics (inductance, capacitance, resistance) of various speaker wires, and it showed a wide range of variance in the different cable brands measured. However, it did not make any conclusion as to whether those differences were audible, it simply measured the cables. Anyway, at least to me, it certainly seems plausible that cables with different electrical characteristics, acting as an electrical signal transport between two devices, could possibly influence that electrical signal. If the signal were being used to drive a speaker then that change certainly could be audible.
Anyway, the point I am trying to make is, in my mind at least, it certainly is possible that speaker cables can enhance, or degrade, the electrical signal sufficiently so that it is audible.
As the article on blind testing pointed out, it is necessary to become familiar with the sound of the equipment before nuances of change can be definitively heard. After I had my current setup for a month or so I upgraded my speaker wire from 12 gauge hardware store cable to $400 for an 8 foot pair cable, and I was amazed at the increase in detail, openness, and clarity that resulted. At that point I understood that the speaker cable did make a difference. A few weeks later I upgraded my SPDIF interconnect, and it too had the same positive effect. Not that the inexpensive cables I was using before sounded bad, it just sounded a lot better now.
Of course, it is going to be a long time before I feel like spending the really big bucks for cables to see if that makes a substantial improvement over my modest upgrades.
BlueFox the double blind test advocates are going to say you are a victim of a placebo effect. -
If you stop feeding the troll they do go away
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