Bi-wiring ?

rlewis52
rlewis52 Posts: 10
edited May 2009 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
I have my fronts wired though the psw450 sw. So my ? is do I run the second set of wires to my front speakers from the back of the sw or from the rev.
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited May 2009
    In order to obtain the benefits of bi-amping, you would need two separate discrete power amps. The subwoofer's amp does not qualify as it simply passes through the amplified signal from your receiver.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited May 2009
    I tried bi-wiring my RTi8's a while back, with my Onkyo 606.

    I found there to be absolutely no improvements whatsoever. If anything, the mid-range sounded a little drier and more withdrawn, which isn't an improvement in any way.

    Like Keiko said, I'd invest the money elsewhere.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited May 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    I tried bi-wiring my RTi8's a while back, with my Onkyo 606.

    I found there to be absolutely no improvements whatsoever. If anything, the mid-range sounded a little drier and more withdrawn, which isn't an improvement in any way.

    Like Keiko said, I'd invest the money elsewhere.

    this says it all.. bi wiring is not worth the trouble.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited May 2009
    +1 on Dangerboy and Curt's suggestion. Although I have never tried it on my setup, the overwhelming consensus on this issue seems to be that it isn't even worth the cost of the extra speaker wire. Depending on your AVR, you could invest some money into external amplification and really bring your speakers to life.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2009
    wutadumsn23 wrote: »
    +1 on Dangerboy and Curt's suggestion. Although I have never tried it on my setup, the overwhelming consensus on this issue seems to be that it isn't even worth the cost of the extra speaker wire. Depending on your AVR, you could invest some money into external amplification and really bring your speakers to life.
    +1, fully agree with everyone on this one.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited May 2009
    I wonder where the sudden surge on Bi-Amping threads has come from as of late, there must be atleast 3 of them going right now.
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    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
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    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited May 2009
    I had one going as well but didn't get much response. I guess it's not a very popular idea. I was glad to see the others to get a better feel for whether to pre-wire for it or not.

    I agree with the others that a major difference is going with a separate amp vs trying to bleed more out of your AVR.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited May 2009
    dpowell wrote: »
    I had one going as well but didn't get much response. I guess it's not a very popular idea. I was glad to see the others to get a better feel for whether to pre-wire for it or not.

    I agree with the others that a major difference is going with a separate amp vs trying to bleed more out of your AVR.

    I think it is a popular idea, just not an idea that is going to net you very noticable differences. I know there was a blurb in my 806's manual about it and how to do it, and I would imagine it is in pretty much every 7.1 AVR's manual somehwere which is where most people's curiosity gets peaked. I thought about doing it when I first unpacked my HT equipment in Sept. but soon after joining this forum was enlightened to it's actual ability to make a noticable difference.
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    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2009
    dpowell wrote: »
    I had one going as well but didn't get much response. I guess it's not a very popular idea. I was glad to see the others to get a better feel for whether to pre-wire for it or not.

    I agree with the others that a major difference is going with a separate amp vs trying to bleed more out of your AVR.
    As I pointed out, bi-wiring provides only a slight separation improvement (not even worht mentionning) but doing so will not bleed the receiver any mor than single wiring. For the people that are budget concerned, you may consider recycling that old stereo or AVR and use it as your amp for Bi-Amping considering of course it is of equal or better quality of the present one.
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  • McCelery
    McCelery Posts: 123
    edited May 2009
    I bought biwire cables for my mains over 2 years ago because I didn't know any better and thought it seemed cool to accessorize my sound. I think, but surely can't prove, that I noticed a difference. And it was neither good nor bad, just different. And even if that holds water, it's almost surely attributable to the increased total 11ga signal path.

    Now I've moved, they're still in the closet, and I'm running plain old XP to everything. Save your money.
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