is this statement true?

chemical

in reading a consumer review of an onkyo 806 a/v ,the guy raved about what a difference the 806 made in sound quality. he then made the following statement,i was wondering if its fact,or just a matter of opinion.....thanks for your comments

"The people that do professional installs love using the digital coax and component video. HDMI as a technology itself has several flaws. Yes it is convenient to have your audio and video run through one cable. However there is a price to pay. "HDMI is a digital signal format, developed primarily as a platform for the implementation of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) to prevent consumers from having complete access to the contents of high-definition digital recordings. As one might expect from a standard that was developed to serve the content provider industries, rather than the best interests of the consumer, HDMI is something of a mess."

TECHNOKID

chemical wrote: »

in reading a consumer review of an onkyo 806 a/v ,the guy raved about what a difference the 806 made in sound quality. he then made the following statement,i was wondering if its fact,or just a matter of opinion.....thanks for your comments

"The people that do professional installs love using the digital coax and component video. HDMI as a technology itself has several flaws. Yes it is convenient to have your audio and video run through one cable. However there is a price to pay. "HDMI is a digital signal format, developed primarily as a platform for the implementation of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) to prevent consumers from having complete access to the contents of high-definition digital recordings. As one might expect from a standard that was developed to serve the content provider industries, rather than the best interests of the consumer, HDMI is something of a mess."

I wouldn't say it is a mess but is a fact that it was made to serve the industry first.

JohnLocke88

I've always thought HDMI was a pain in the ****. The switch from analog (Component) to digital (HDMI) was primarily the MPAA getting their undies in a bunch over the supposed "analog" hole, in which people could record 1080i (AND STILL CAN).

The fact remains that 720p remains an excellent video resolution and I'd be completely happy with 720p and the ability to record whatever the hell I want.

chemical

TECHNOKID wrote: »

I wouldn't say it is a mess but is a fact that it was made to serve the industry first.

by using the digital coax and component video hook ups....is the sound and video quality better than hdmi?

TECHNOKID

chemical wrote: »

by using the digital coax and component video hook ups....is the sound and video quality better than hdmi?

Video speaking, component is just as good as HDMI and you can avoid some of the bugs with HDMI however, if I am correct your 1080p player would be brought down to a lower resolution due to the HDCP connection not being present. Digital connections of the audio is a must if you want to get the latest codecs of your movie(s) (considering your AVR has the capability). Yet my PJ has the ability of 720p/1080i and never had any problems with either component or HDMI. One advantage of component is for longer lenghts while I believe HDMI is limited to 25', after such lenght it is preferable to use repeater(s). I believe that if you are using a BluRay type player, HDMI is a must to get the full potential of BluRay content due to HDCP.

renowilliams

Don't know about you guys but I run video from my computer vis s-video to my avr and for sound I use digital coax. This works great for me.

arnaudh

HDCP is the main reason HDMI exists. It was designed with content protection in mind, not user friendliness or consumer convenience.

cnh

I'm with you guys..

Techno is right....you do need HDMI if you want to run blu-ray 1080p. But for regular HD-TV there is basically No difference between Component cabling and HDMI in the lower formats....especially 1080i which are most signals.

All that copy-protection madness leads to those WONDERFUL 'handshake' problems between various items, HDMI, and you TV monitor. Don't you LOVE IT! The lark is that a good hacker can make Swiss Cheese out of any protection schemes? So what's the use?

cnh

Knucklehead

I have 2 DVD players, one Blu Ray and one Standard player that upconverts, On my 42" Panasonic viera 1080p, Im hard pressed to tell a difference between 1080p and 720p at 8-10' away from my screen. Actually I was a little disappointed with the whole BluRay hype. 720p is very pleasing to my 43 year old eyes.;)

donedroolin

I had the rep who sold me my Parasound gear come to my house and help me calibrate my setup. Sounds AWSOME now. I asked him about any new Parasound gear with HDMI and he said that Parasound manufacturer does not like HDMI . He also does not with any gear he sell and sets up run any HDMI cables.They are more trouble then thier worth and cause more problems. He runs all his component and fiber optic. 1080I, 1080P do you see a difference.

thuffman03

Never got into HDMI. Component and DVI look pretty good in my book. Plus just read that they are going to have HDMI 1.4 out at the end of the year and it is a whole new cable and not backwords compatible.

I am going to wait till I am forced into using HDMI.

WilliamM2

donedroolin wrote: »

I had the rep who sold me my Parasound gear come to my house and help me calibrate my setup. Sounds AWSOME now. I asked him about any new Parasound gear with HDMI and he said that Parasound manufacturer does not like HDMI . He also does not with any gear he sell and sets up run any HDMI cables.They are more trouble then thier worth and cause more problems. He runs all his component and fiber optic. 1080I, 1080P do you see a difference.

I'd never use him as an instaler. Without HDMI, you don't get the new sound formats, and you can't view the native 1024p/24hz on Blu-Ray discs.

Personally, I've never had a single issue with HDMI, although I did wait for it to mature a little before jumping in.

chemical

thanks guys.......i appreciate you taking the time to answer

Face

William, I thought it was possible to take advantage of the new sound formats if your player can decode them and send them to your receiver/prepro via analog interconnects?

WilliamM2

Face wrote: »

William, I thought it was possible to take advantage of the new sound formats if your player can decode them and send them to your receiver/prepro via analog interconnects?

You can, but it's less than ideal. You will be stuck with the fixed crossover in the player, usually above 100hz. Also most players don't have speaker distance settings.

But I was commenting on the statements the rep made:

He also does not with any gear he sell and sets up run any HDMI cables.They are more trouble then thier worth and cause more problems. He runs all his component and fiber optic.

reeltrouble1

I have used HDMI for video and when I had my DLP the 1080p did look a bit better than the 1080i component. Of course then my DLP light engine blew up, Mit did me lousy on repairing it so the dealer just let me pick out a new TV, I went for the Pioneer plasma which was 1080i, cannot say I am not thoroughly happy with the TV picture although I am by no means a videophlie like some of our members, I have not yet made the jump for HT with the HDMI sound formats but suspect one day I will.

RT1

potee

I run my stuff with HDMI and never had a problem. It's a fast clean quick set up. I like it

ntculenuff

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

I have used HDMI for video and when I had my DLP the 1080p did look a bit better than the 1080i component. Of course then my DLP light engine blew up, Mit did me lousy on repairing it so the dealer just let me pick out a new TV, I went for the Pioneer plasma which was 1080i, cannot say I am not thoroughly happy with the TV picture although I am by no means a videophlie like some of our members, I have not yet made the jump for HT with the HDMI sound formats but suspect one day I will.

RT1

which model of mits DLP did you have?

max mike

If copy protection is not an issue for you HDMI is the way to go. The latest version and newer equipment rarely have HDMI handshake issues and my guess is the HDMI single cable solution in the long run will yield fewer problems for most than a three cable component video solution plus additional audio cable(s).

You can absolutely run HDMI more than 25 feet with good cables.

CaligulaPolk

HDMI is not superior cable yet, it stil have problems.

IT WONT DECODE CLOSED CAPTIONED on HDMI!!!

Face

I use HDMI and have no problem with closed captions from my cable box.

CaligulaPolk

Face wrote: »

I use HDMI and have no problem with closed captions from my cable box.

its digital not closed captioned (21 lines) Closed captioned is TV function not Cable


other equipment than cable box wont decode CC via hdmi... SHAME!!!

maximillian

If you have an older HDTV TV then HDMI/HDCP is a problem. I have a Toshiba A2 HD-DVD player that I primarily bought for upconverting DVD movies. However, if I purchase an HD-DVD I cannot view it at 1080i (what my TV accepts) because the TV only has DVI and component inputs (no HDMI). I am forced to 480p. You can easily purchase an HDMI to DVI converter, but since DVI cannot handle DHCP the DRM handshaking fails and the Toshiba player downgrades the video.

I know I am in the minority with this setup but it still grates me that it is broken by design.

CaligulaPolk

maximillian wrote: »

If you have an older HDTV TV then HDMI/HDCP is a problem. I have a Toshiba A2 HD-DVD player that I primarily bought for upconverting DVD movies. However, if I purchase an HD-DVD I cannot view it at 1080i (what my TV accepts) because the TV only has DVI and component inputs (no HDMI). I am forced to 480p. You can easily purchase an HDMI to DVI converter, but since DVI cannot handle DHCP the DRM handshaking fails and the Toshiba player downgrades the video.

I know I am in the minority with this setup but it still grates me that it is broken by design.

older tv or not, its not tv. Its hdmi is not superior yet as people claims. My tv is brand new and still has same problem as my old tv. I have replaced Cable boxes many times and it has do nothing do with it. its HDMI. Even Sony tech savvy says samething. this is why PS3 do not support closed captioned.