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Jstas
Jstas Posts: 14,806
edited May 2009 in The Clubhouse
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited May 2009
    I'm sorry Jstas, but I have to pull the trigger on this one:














    Is that the 'Pelosi Racing Team'?:eek::D
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited May 2009
    Dumb A**es:D:D:D:D
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2009
    LOL! I bet they were embarassed.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2009
    That's pretty bad. Just a little embarrassing.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2009
    Face wrote: »
    That's pretty bad. Just a little embarrassing.

    Some mechanic must be wondering, "I wonder where these lug nuts came from"
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  • Legion5
    Legion5 Posts: 14
    edited May 2009
    Those are the extra screw you get from working on a vehicle that you DON'T want to end up with!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2009
    The lugs were probably on, just barely hand tight. It wouldn't have made it that far with no lugs at all.
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  • bruss
    bruss Posts: 1,039
    edited May 2009
    Thats almost too bad to be real
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2009
    Face wrote: »
    The lugs were probably on, just barely hand tight. It wouldn't have made it that far with no lugs at all.

    You know what? Something gives me the feeling this was sabotage, like someone (maybe his competitors) loosened his lug nuts...

    What do you think?
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2009
    Face wrote: »
    That's pretty bad. Just a little embarrassing.

    Ruined the car too. The body and exhaust are probably all scratched up.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited May 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    You know what? Something gives me the feeling this was sabotage, like someone (maybe his competitors) loosened his lug nuts...

    What do you think?

    Agreed,it does look like Sabotage
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited May 2009
    where is Chuck Norris when you need him? :p
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    You know what? Something gives me the feeling this was sabotage, like someone (maybe his competitors) loosened his lug nuts...

    What do you think?

    Or just absentmindedness.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2009
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Agreed,it does look like Sabotage

    Right, what are the chances all four wheels fall off?

    One, two, maybe. But all four?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2009
    He probably drove to the track on a different set of wheels/tires.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2009
    I'd think that if the lug nuts were loose, he'd notice them a LONG time ago?

    That vid lasted for quite a while before they came off.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,680
    edited May 2009
    Hard to tell, but what style/type of racing was supposed to be going on here ? Some sort of time-trial slalom, or ..... ?

    Reason I ask is, the guy probably was at some point sitting over where the cars are parked along the side, waiting to get in line. At some point those lugs were loosened or, at best, not tightened.

    Once your sitting behind the wheel, I have to believe you're going to notice lugs coming off the wheel.

    So .... how the heck DOES that happen ? :confused:
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited May 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    I'd think that if the lug nuts were loose, he'd notice them a LONG time ago?

    That vid lasted for quite a while before they came off.

    No. Especially if he did not drive to track on those wheels and tires. I know I never beat up my street rubber on the track. I always brought a set of slicks, even if they were beat up, or drag radials. Thankfully the tech guys would always make sure to remind you to check the lugs.

    and

    Not really. He wasn't moving that long and when the wheels did come off, he had just made his first turn. Most of the rest of the movement was in a straight line. Besides, he wasn't very smooth in his transitions either so it's hard to tell if he did notice anything.




    As far as the kind of racing, SCCA Autocross. A big parking lot with a bunch of cones laid out to make a race course. Each car races solo against the clock. Best time wins the meet.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited May 2009
    OK, for those who have never been in the situation of prepping for a race and making sure you're registered, tech'ed and such, you won't ever understand what goes on and how much goes in to it. It is easy to forget to tighten lug nuts or close a fuel tank or even forget to fill up the tank and other stuff you would think is a no-brainer. Just because you think it's not possible doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I highly, HIGHLY doubt that was sabotage. The proximity of other people in the environment makes that really stupid and a quick way to meet your opponents wrath and not to mention the back seat of a patrol vehicle from a local constabulary.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2009
    Jstas wrote: »
    No. Especially if he did not drive to track on those wheels and tires. I know I never beat up my street rubber on the track. I always brought a set of slicks, even if they were beat up, or drag radials. Thankfully the tech guys would always make sure to remind you to check the lugs.

    and

    Not really. He wasn't moving that long and when the wheels did come off, he had just made his first turn. Most of the rest of the movement was in a straight line. Besides, he wasn't very smooth in his transitions either so it's hard to tell if he did notice anything.

    If he did not drive to the track on those wheels and tires, then it is possible. However, there's more to the story...

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    Pause the video when you see the brake rotors close up. What do you notice?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited May 2009
    What do you mean "What do you notice?" What I notice is that the first wheel to fall off, the studs were all there. The second wheel that fell off sheared 4 out of 5 studs off. The other two wheels, I can't see well enough. That kind of damage pattern is typical of improperly tightened lug nuts. Either too tight or not tight enough. What I also notice is that all 4 wheels are racing slicks and I KNOW he couldn't have driven to the track like that. He'd have no tires left for his track day.

    What are you gettin' at? What do you think you see that others more experienced than you don't?

    It wasn't sabotage. It was somebody who changed wheels at the track and didn't tighten the lug nuts properly. That could mean anything from having lug nuts on finger tight to having the wheels torqued to something like 70 ft lb when they should have been at 105 ft lb or something. The only reason they are looking for a missing bolt/nut is not for evidence but rather so nobody picks it up with a tire and causes an unsafe condition that can damage a tire/wheel and/or cause harm to a driver or spectator. Usually this is just one wheels to fall off but the colossal lapse of judgment it takes for all 4 wheels to fall off is astounding but not outside the realm of possibilities. Especially if he put cold wheels on a hot hub and torqued the bolts. You get an improper torque level on the bolts and they should get rechecked before driving. Obviously this guy didn't do that and his lug nuts worked themselves loose. Judging by his driving, he wasn't THAT experienced at the whole auto cross thing either.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited May 2009
    Jstas wrote: »
    What do you mean "What do you notice?" What I notice is that the first wheel to fall off, the studs were all there. The second wheel that fell off sheared 4 out of 5 studs off. The other two wheels, I can't see well enough. That kind of damage pattern is typical of improperly tightened lug nuts. Either too tight or not tight enough.

    Yes, I think that's what happened.
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