Any point in getting the ONKYO 607 over my 606??

Polkie918

I have a 606 and of course its great, but I see the 607 on 6thave.com for $374.99 after a coupon code....

I know it has 6 hdmi which is nice.....and prologic 2 or something like that...

but is it even worth selling mine and getting the new one? I dont need 6hdmi yet...

anything else make it a no brainer? thanks

comfortablycurt

The only differences are really the two extra HDMI inputs, an extra subwoofer output and the addition of Dolby Prologic IIz. This let's you put two additional front speakers up high, to give you "over the head" sound effects. This isn't really a selling point for me. I've got a 606, and don't plan on upgrading to a 607.

If you're looking to upgrade your receiver, get something better. A 607 would basically be a lateral move. It's got a few extra features, but it's basically the same AVR.

It still doesn't have pre-outs, so no external amps. I'd just hang onto the 606 until you're ready to move a little higher up the chain.

kuntasensei

Besides pre-outs, you also get the benefit of Audyssey MultEQ XT in the 70X series of Onkyos, whereas the 60X series only has Audyssey 2EQ (which doesn't equalize the subwoofer at all). I say wait until Onkyo unveils the newest 70X model, then you should be able to find a good deal on it at places like J&R or 6thave.

Polkie918

Thats what I was thinking.....there is a refurbed 706 on ebay from an authorized dealer for $499.99 and then live cash back thru microsoft will save 10% so it be like $450....what do u think about that?

cnh

706 a good move, or even an 806 would serve you better than a 607. The higher the better. IMO the higher models (800s) because they have a bit more power IMAGE better!

And the pre-outs are a must....

cnh

kuntasensei

I'd say roll with the 706, then get external amplification later. I'm using a 705 and am very happy with it, but I'll be adding amplification for the front three channels in the next few months (most likely an Emotiva XPA-3).

NewHTguy

You haven't said why you want to upgrade. There's no point to upgrading unless you have something you're trying to achieve. I went from a 605 to 875 because I wanted the pre-outs, the additional power, and the superior video processing. I'd advise you to first think about where you want your system to be in a couple of years. Are you happy with your speakers? Would they or the speakers you want need an amp? Do you plan to have two subwoofers? Then consider whether a new AVR pushes you toward that destination. The process never ends, but you need to take your time or you'll waste lots of money and effort. I've definitely taken the long road to where I am. I don't know much about audio relative to many of the people on this forum. However, I do try to keep other people from making the same mistakes I have made.

slowpolky

I have read that the 607 is way better than any receiver in its 599 price range and sonicly better or equal to the denon 3808ci

comfortablycurt

slowpolky wrote: »

I have read that the 607 is way better than any receiver in its 599 price range and sonicly better or equal to the denon 3808ci

That's a debatable subject. The 607 definitely has it's weak points, namely the lack of pre-outs. Most of the other AVR's in that price point have pre-outs, making them a lot more versatile.

There are a lot of people who don't like the way Onkyo's sound too, they have a fairly bright sound overall.

It definitely is a great entry level AVR...best? That's kind of an opinionated term.

slowpolky

what does the terms bright and warm mean? , i hear it alot but never understood the meanings

cnh

Sorry to disagree a bit Curt; Onkyos are not Bright! They are warmer than most of the competition except Harman Kardons. They only seem bright with Rti-s? I run M70s--no hint of brightness! Perhaps this is a subjective perception but most owners describe Onkyos as more of a lush/full sound with not as much detail in the High End as a Denon for example. I own both an Onkyo and a Denon and I would agree with that.

How anyone can compare an Onkyo 607 with a Denon AVR 3808 is beyond me. The Denon will walk all over the 607 power wise, and sound wise! And FEATURE wise!! Maybe an Onkyo 876 vs a Denon 3808!

cnh

comfortablycurt

Bright typically means that it puts a bit more emphasis on the high end, with the tweeters/high end being more pronounced and forward sounding than the mids/lows.

Warm is essentially the opposite. A more laid back high end, with more forward sounding midrange, and a slightly more pronounced low end.

The terms can encompass a lot more than that depending on who you ask, but that's the general idea.

I wouldn't say that the Onkyo's have an overly bright nature, though some would. They add just enough sparkle and detail to the high end, without taking away from the midrange clarity.


cnh-I've heard Onkyo's described as being bright many many times. In comparing them with different Denons, Sony's and Yamaha's, I came to the same conclusion myself. As I said, it's not as if they're overbearingly bright sounding, but they're a far cry from being warm or lush sounding IMO.

slowpolky

the onkyo cannot mach the power but at normal listening levels they said they could not hear a diff and it was to close to call

comfortablycurt

slowpolky wrote: »

the onkyo cannot mach the power but at normal listening levels they said they could not hear a diff and it was to close to call

You've gotta take internet reviews with a grain of salt.

What was the associated equipment? What was the listening environment? Who gave the review, was this just one persons opinion? Are they a devoted Onkyo customer? There are many things that can bias reviews and change the outcome.

Reviews online are helpful, but you shouldn't base a decision on them. You should always get out and actually compare them yourself if possible.

What's bright to you could be neutral or warm to me. A pair of speakers that sounds absolutely fantastic in your room, could sound like utter garbage in my room.

IMO the Denon 3808 smokes the 607 in almost every category. It's a very opinionated subject.

slowpolky

I have bad hearing in my right ear so i am exited and in favour of a nice bright sound as all i care about is watching movies.That being said i have the rti's and have the csi3 centre, could my future 607 power a csi5 if i upgrade?

cnh

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Bright typically means that it puts a bit more emphasis on the high end, with the tweeters/high end being more pronounced and forward sounding than the mids/lows.

Warm is essentially the opposite. A more laid back high end, with more forward sounding midrange, and a slightly more pronounced low end.

The terms can encompass a lot more than that depending on who you ask, but that's the general idea.

I wouldn't say that the Onkyo's have an overly bright nature, though some would. They add just enough sparkle and detail to the high end, without taking away from the midrange clarity.


cnh-I've heard Onkyo's described as being bright many many times. In comparing them with different Denons, Sony's and Yamaha's, I came to the same conclusion myself. As I said, it's not as if they're overbearingly bright sounding, but they're a far cry from being warm or lush sounding IMO.

I think we're reading different reviews. I remember reading hundreds of reviews with very few calling the Onkyo bright. I own a Denon 2807 and an Onkyo 605 and there is no doubt that the Denon is brighter to my ears on my Polks. So I guess we have to agree to disagree. The DM of the former CC who used to sell tons of Onkyos there also thought they were the least bright of the receivers CC sold. I'm listening to mine right now and I have the Denon next to it also on a set of Polks. I'm pretty sure if I switch over it's going to sound brighter on the same CD. But this is a moot point because it doesn't help the OP and we can continue this another time and place.

cnh

cnh

slowpolky wrote: »

I have bad hearing in my right ear so i am exited and in favour of a nice bright sound as all i care about is watching movies.That being said i have the rti's and have the csi3 centre, could my future 607 power a csi5 if i upgrade?

The Onkyo won't have any problem with that upgrade Rtis are not 'that hard' to power! But they do benefit from external power when and if you have it. You'll be fine for now.

cnh

comfortablycurt

slowpolky wrote: »

I have bad hearing in my right ear so i am exited and in favour of a nice bright sound as all i care about is watching movies.That being said i have the rti's and have the csi3 centre, could my future 607 power a csi5 if i upgrade?

The CSi5 would be a highly recommended upgrade. The center channel carries over 50% of a movies soundtrack, so it's a crucial speaker. A bigger center channel is always going to make an improvement. The 607 will be able to power the CSi5 with no problem.

External amps are always going to help, but it's not necessary.

cnh wrote: »

I think we're reading different reviews. I remember reading hundreds of reviews with very few calling the Onkyo bright. I own a Denon 2807 and an Onkyo 605 and there is no doubt that the Denon is brighter to my ears on my Polks. So I guess we have to agree to disagree. The DM of the former CC who used to sell tons of Onkyos there also thought they were the least bright of the receivers CC sold. I'm listening to mine right now and I have the Denon next to it also on a set of Polks. I'm pretty sure if I switch over it's going to sound brighter on the same CD. But this is a moot point because it doesn't help the OP and we can continue this another time and place.

cnh

Agree to disagree? Pfft...

The only way to solve this is 10 rounds of bare knuckle boxing.:p

Even driving my Monitor 7A's, with the the Onkyo 606, there was a touch of brightness. The Peerless tweeters in the 7A's are pretty laid back by their nature.

Blame it on different rooms or any number of other factors though.

slowpolky

here's another thought for you guys. when i get the 607 and upgrade the centre, could i have 2 csi3's with fxi3's for the 4 back surrounds? would it timbre match with the then upgraded csi5 and rti6 front sound stage?

comfortablycurt

slowpolky wrote: »

here's another thought for you guys. when i get the 607 and upgrade the centre, could i have 2 csi3's with fxi3's for the 4 back surrounds? would it timbre match with the then upgraded csi5 and rti6 front sound stage?

You could do that, but if you were going to, the CSi3's would be best suited as surround backs, with the FXi4's for surrounds. People have run center channels as surrounds before. It would all timbre match fine as long as they're in the same series of speakers, which in this instance, they are.

I'm not sure if you'd want to run them standing up vertically though. They may have to be left laying down.

cnh

comfortablycurt wrote: »

The CSi5 would be a highly recommended upgrade. The center channel carries over 50% of a movies soundtrack, so it's a crucial speaker. A bigger center channel is always going to make an improvement. The 607 will be able to power the CSi5 with no problem.

External amps are always going to help, but it's not necessary.



Agree to disagree? Pfft...

The only way to solve this is 10 rounds of bare knuckle boxing.:p

Even driving my Monitor 7A's, with the the Onkyo 606, there was a touch of brightness. The Peerless tweeters in the 7A's are pretty laid back by their nature.

Blame it on different rooms or any number of other factors though.

Sounds good Curt but you're a bit too young for me! But then again I do have a bit of actual 'ring' experience. Sort of like a George Foreman vs. Evander Holyfield fight. I think youth took experience there. But it was a close fight...ha ha..

cnh

Polkie918

Does the onkyo 805 have preouts?

cnh

Polkie918 wrote: »

Does the onkyo 805 have preouts?

The Onkyo 805 certainly does and it's one hell of an Onkyo at its price point!

cnh