I need some input from those who know cables (dum, dum, daaa . . .)

SolidSqual

My new Emerald Physics CS 2.3 will be wired with a custom Canare cable. I can get the cable in bulk from Emmy to make DIY speaker wires. Would this be recommended over something like WireWorld Cables, MIT, Signal Cable, etc., etc.?

Knowing so many people have rave reviews for their speaker cables, while also knowing many manufacturers wire their speakers with less "technologically advanced" cables than what audiophiles connect to the binding posts, it seems obvious something is gained with a good wire between the amp and the transducer. But, this concept conflicts with my other instinct that says synergy is key in this hobby. So, would it not be better to keep the same cables throughout?

Shoot, should I just be real hardcore and find some great cable I enjoy and wire it directly to the drivers? That's basically what I am doing now on compression driver of my CS2. I can do the same with the CS2.3.

dkg999

Goes to retrieve popcorn, wine, and a comfy chair :cool:

nooshinjohn

I have no answer here but have actually wanted to ask a similar question with regards to SDA's. I am thinking of rewiring my speakers when I redo the crossovers, so I guess any answer to your problem will answer mine as well.

SolidSqual

dkg999 wrote: »

Goes to retrieve popcorn, wine, and a comfy chair :cool:

I was hoping for a civil conversation. I am a believer in good cables. But, what matters more. Good cables or Synergy? Or is it . . . the good cables that add synergy between the speakers and the amps? Now I'm confused. Are cables supposed to add anything?

nikolas812

Don't over think it or get ahead of your self.

If you can use your same wires and setup as before. I say go for it. Break the speakers in. Then go from then there. One thing at a time.....




Nick

dkg999

I think synergy is the critical goal to try to achieve. I'm a believer that certain combinations of gear just works together better and the result is more than the sum of the individual components. Finding synergy is a b$tch, it really is. Good cables help without a doubt, but a cable that makes my system better might make your system worse. So now that I've used a lot of words to say very little, I'm crawling back in my foxhole!

SolidSqual

nikolas812 wrote: »

Don't over think it or get ahead of your self.

If you can use your same wires and setup as before. I say go for it. Break the speakers in. Then go from then there. One thing at a time.....

Nick

Right on. I agree. But, I am going to want to tweak it out later.

nikolas812

SolidSqual wrote: »

Right on. I agree. But, I am going to want to tweak it out later.

I hear ya and feel ya. But like I said. Get them,, set'em up and break'em in. Then teawk them. I think you have a better appreciation of the upgrade or the tweak this way and a better understanding of the affect on the said speaker..




Nick

dorokusai

MIT has worked in every rig I've run just fine, no problems with synergy. I've had dozens of rigs.

ben62670

I rewired my SDA's with AQ type4's on all the mids, and silver on the tweeters. I also use AQ CV4's dbs on the mids, and did the custom silvers on the highs. If you can wire directly to the drivers that would be awesome. You are running 2 channels per speaker active correct?

heiney9

Go MIT or go home

nikolas812

I want MIT.:(




Nik

VR3

I gotta say - I have been incredibly impressed with MIT's Shotgun.

And you can do 25% off on the discount store, search google for MIT Discount Cable Coupon - it will take you to a link that allows you to use a 20% off coupon for the next hour...

I bought my subwoofer ICs with this and got a pretty good deal since they dropped the 50% off.

SolidSqual

Zero wrote: »

Solid,

You're a wealthy kid (considering your age). Why not experiment with both the canare cable and a few aftermarket cords? Plenty of manufacturers offer 30 day (or more) trial periods... and since you aren't the type to shy away from putting effort into getting a good sounding system... I gotta wonder, why make a post about it? Just do it, and find out for yourself!

After you've done some, come back and report the results!

Well, I was hoping someone might be able to offer some insight into the contradiction I first stated. However, I will take your advice by first testing my current signal cables against the canare and then later moving to Wireworld and MIT.

Face

If you like the sound of your Signal Cables, you'll love MIT Shotgun series.

hearingimpared

I have MIT Shotguns all the way around in my rig and I love them and have no synergy issues.

amulford

Personally I would agree that higher quality well designed wire/cable would enhance the performance.

As a rule, companies will use bulk wire. It's a matter of cost savings. Of course a higher quality will perform better. if you can use the same throughout the signal path, go forit, it it's economically feasible. Now, as far as direct hookup, I think it would be a real PITA, but you do remove one connection...

steveinaz

SolidSqual wrote: »

I was hoping for a civil conversation. I am a believer in good cables. But, what matters more. Good cables or Synergy? Or is it . . . the good cables that add synergy between the speakers and the amps? Now I'm confused. Are cables supposed to add anything?

Remember, any cable is going to pass the signal; question is what kind of flavor do you want? Don't get wrapped around the axle about what you think you should buy--get what works the best regardless of brand/type.

treitz3

That, Steve I can agree with.

markmarc

Solid:
You've hit upon one of audio's great conundrums, best bang for the buck thru mixing and matching, or synergy. In my own case I was lucky to find two brands that fit both. In the end, I chose Audio Art cabling across the board because of the greater flexibility with their speaker wire.

My recommendation (and you already know this with the CS2), spend time over days getting the positioning just right. Room acoustics and proper speaker placement offers a far greater reward than cable-chasing. I spent many, many hours getting the CS2's set right in my room for the review. Then I played a bit with wiring, the difference between the choices was maybe 2-3%, compared to 20% for placement.

Then let me know how the 2.3's sound. I'm very curious as to what improvents Clayton came up with besides appearance.

Ricardo

Go wireless. End of discussion.

conservi

Just surfing the web on a search and stumbled upon your cabling question and thought I would pose a question concerning your opinion of these new and improved speakers. I currently have the CS 2”s and am thinking of an upgrade.

As far as your cabling issues, I agree with some of the thread comments and your initial philosophical approach, but I personally do not have sufficient experience with the wire manufactures except Wireworld of which I have a few different single ended interconnects. So, I will not provide an unfunded opinion.

Thanks

Conservi

hearingimpared

Welcome to Club Polk conservi!

george daniel

Synergy,,, elusive sometimes,,when that happens,,I always go back to MIT, works for me anyway.

dragon1952

SolidSqual wrote: »

My new Emerald Physics CS 2.3 will be wired with a custom Canare cable. I can get the cable in bulk from Emmy to make DIY speaker wires. Would this be recommended over something like WireWorld Cables, MIT, Signal Cable, etc., etc.?

I have been less than impressed with the Canare 4S11, if that's what you plan on using. Could have just been a synergy thing with my system, but I've stuck it in there on 3 different occasions over a couple year period and it just did not do it for me.

LuSh

Cables are merely tone controls. It's the high end audio's answer to the lack of tone controls found on integrated amplifiers and pre-amplifiers. Remembering this; you can experiment with what works for your setup.

tonyb

dkg999 wrote: »

I think synergy is the critical goal to try to achieve. I'm a believer that certain combinations of gear just works together better and the result is more than the sum of the individual components. Finding synergy is a b$tch, it really is. Good cables help without a doubt, but a cable that makes my system better might make your system worse. So now that I've used a lot of words to say very little, I'm crawling back in my foxhole!

Doug hit it....the whole synergy think which boils down to trial and error.You might have to kiss alot of toads before you find your prince of a cable.

MLZ

Ricardo wrote: »

Go wireless. End of discussion.

But then do I have to treat the air in my room