Good musical sub?

KrazyMofo24
KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
edited May 2009 in Speakers
I am currently looking for a good sub that will go well with my Vienna Acoustics Haydn's. I have heard good things about Rel's B2's and B3's but at $2,000 they are out of my budget. I prefer it to sound great for music, more so than HT.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Setup:

2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

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  • thuffman03
    thuffman03 Posts: 1,325
    edited May 2009
    I am sure there are some good Polk subs but I don't have a lot of experance with them. I do know that Sunfire are good and I have had a few Definitive Technology subs.

    What is your budget?
    Sunfire TGP, Sunfire Cinema Grand, Sunfire 300~2 (2), Sunfire True Sub (2),Carver ALS Platinum, Carver AL III, TFM-55, C-19, C-9, TX-8, SDA-490t, SDA-390t
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,221
    edited May 2009
    Look at the new Polk Micro Pro series of Subs, they are excellent for music, nice tight, musical bass.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited May 2009
    Check out the smaller REL's T1, T2. They are much cheaper and have very good reviews linking with 2 channel systems.
    Venom
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,094
    edited May 2009
    Running dual Velo SPL-1200R subs for music & HT...I'm one happy camper to say the least. Definetely check out the Velo line.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited May 2009
    Velodyne subs in that mid-range are among the best for music and HT...not overly powerful or pushing too hard to do what they do. I, second ...001s suggestions above.

    If you want to spend a couple thousand or so...yeah there are better. But you'll be happy with a Velo.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited May 2009
    Velo or REL, those two are good with music.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited May 2009
    Thanks for the recommendations. I know of one dealer that had the Rel subs and will give them a listen to a few when I get closer to being able to buy one. Zero I will keep a look out for that Storm if you decide to sell it.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,143
    edited May 2009
    Not that I am an expert at all, but VMPS gets my vote. They do it correctly...huge boxes with huge woofers. Check out the some of the VMPS subs and at least take them into consideration.
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  • zarrdoss
    zarrdoss Posts: 2,562
    edited May 2009
    I don't know exactly what your budget is but for less than $320 delivered and an hour of time putting together I have heard some really good things about this sub, and they have other more powerful subs too.

    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=300-770&scqty=1
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  • Matt34
    Matt34 Posts: 318
    edited May 2009
    I'd check out the Rytmik line carried by Ascend Acoustics and the HSU ULS-15.

    I have a couple rytmiks subs in DIY 2cu/ft sealed enclosures and they are excellent for music.
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited May 2009
    Another satisfied Velo user here. My velo is super clean, flat and sounds excellent.
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  • bevo
    bevo Posts: 306
    edited May 2009
    I haven't heard anyone mention SVS. I'm getting ready to order the pb-13 ultra. Is there something I don't know about it, some reason I should stay away from it?
    Denon 1909, want to upgrade for pre outs
    Fronts-polk RTi A5
    center-polk CSi A4
    Sides Polk FXi A6
    rears- polk rm8's
    sub-SVS pb-13 ultra
    Blue ray-ps3
    Panasonic plasma 50 inch
    Buttkicker(don't use or need it anymore since getting the Ultra)
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited May 2009
    bevo wrote: »
    I haven't heard anyone mention SVS. I'm getting ready to order the pb-13 ultra. Is there something I don't know about it, some reason I should stay away from it?
    Nope, there's nothing you don't know about it. The Ultra is an excellent all round sub and stands toe to toe with JL, Velo DD18 and the Paradigm Servo 15.2 in the in room music comparisons and offers advantages to them all for HT. Not to say that the above suggestions don't have great sound quality. For a 2 channel rig or music only application, it's a bit overkill. You can spend less and get similar performance. I like the Rythmik idea for a music sub. If kept within it's limits (and their version of servo doesn't limit), it's one of the best sounding music subs I've heard at a reasonable price...even the prebuilt models.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited May 2009
    venomclan wrote: »
    Check out the smaller REL's T1, T2. They are much cheaper and have very good reviews linking with 2 channel systems.
    Venom

    I 2nd that,,,,,,,,Go for the REL subs:D
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited May 2009
    venomclan wrote: »
    Check out the smaller REL's T1, T2. They are much cheaper and have very good reviews linking with 2 channel systems.
    Venom

    This would be my suggestion as well. The T2's I've installed are phenomenal for the price.
    Tschüss
    Zach
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  • curved
    curved Posts: 664
    edited May 2009
    I love the way my Snell sounds. Very musical IMO.
    Living Room:....................[HTML] [/HTML] Zone 2 (Workout Room):
    AVR - Yamaha RX-V757......JBL 4312 Pro Monitors
    Pre - Nak CA-5
    AMP - Adcom 555 (Main)
    Main - Polk RTI8**/RTiA5
    AMP - Adcom 545II (Center)
    Center - Polk CSiA4**
    Sub - Snell Basis 300:p......Zone 3 (Outside)
    CD - Yamaha CDC-555.......Def Tech AW5500
    TV - Pani TH-42PZ80U
    BR - LG BD390
    Monster HTS1600 Power Center
    Dedicated Circuit - (2) 20amp, (1) 15amp
    Ben's IC, Canare 4S11
    **Dayton and Sonicap Caps with Mills Resistors**
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  • NewHTguy
    NewHTguy Posts: 584
    edited May 2009
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Running dual Velo SPL-1200R subs for music & HT...I'm one happy camper to say the least. Definetely check out the Velo line.

    +1 even if you have only one. Looks great in piano black, and very compact. Absolutely no regrets, except that I may now have too much base with my Lsi25s :eek:
    MAIN: Polk Lsi9s; Polk PSW505; Lsic (in box); Onkyo SR-875; Parasound 2250; Cambridge Audio 740C; LG BD370
    OFFICE: Polk Lsi7; REL T3; HK 3490; CA 840W; Onkyo C-S5VL
    BENCHED: CS20; OWM3s
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2009
    I'm no Velodyne fan either.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • okiepolkie
    okiepolkie Posts: 2,258
    edited May 2009
    I've used plenty of Velodyne subwoofers for installations, and they tend to be my go-to sub in some applications. Their SC series works very well in custom installations. As of late, I've been spec'ing the REL T series for entry level systems, and I usually spec 2(or more) of them in larger rooms. The T series blends very well with the Haydn's, and is actually a recommended setup by Vienna Acoustics.
    Tschüss
    Zach
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  • Ender
    Ender Posts: 603
    edited May 2009
    There's that ACI subwoofer on Audiogon that looks delicious. I think it goes down to 18Hz or something? Now THAT's bass you feel but don't hear.
    SDA 1C, SDA 2A, SDA SRS 2, CMT-340SE, Swan M200MKII, Swan D1080MKII, Behringer MS40

    Outlaw Audio M2200 x2, GFA 555 II, BGW 750C

    GDA 700, Outlaw Audio Model 990, Sansa Fuze, X-Fi Platinum Fatality
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,820
    edited May 2009
    To date, the best subwoofer I have ever heard (and I've heard a few, SVS PC Ultra, Wilson Audio Watch Dog, M&K) would be the VMPS Larger Subwoofer with Megawoofers.

    115db, 20hz -- sealed, push pull, slot loaded passive radiator - every positive attribute you can imagine, its got it. And its cheap. What more can you want? Its VERY accurate.

    However, I think in about 2 weeks - the accuracy part of that may change when my new subs get here.. but the VMPS will always be my HT sub. The volume per dollar CANNOT be beat.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • apphd
    apphd Posts: 1,514
    edited May 2009
    I don't have any personal experience with them because they're out of my price range but I have heard a lot of good things about some of the MartinLogan subs.
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  • BigMac
    BigMac Posts: 849
    edited May 2009
    Hi. I would take a look at these. Very muscial subs and all are highly regarded. In no particular order:

    -Onix Rocket UFW-10 (great performer and inexpensive)
    -Vandersteen 2W (hard to find but worth the look)
    -JL Audio Fathom F110 (can find these for around $1300.00-$1400.00 used and will blow your house down)
    DON'T CLICK THIS!!
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,399
    edited May 2009
    When ever I hear talk of a musical sub I can't help but think of...

    Sorry, I couldn't resist:)
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
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  • bsoko2
    bsoko2 Posts: 1,449
    edited May 2009
    HSU has an excellent rep for having musical subs for a good price.

    Bill
    My 2012 HT Room - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1416077/bsoko2-new-ht-june-2012
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  • Graboid
    Graboid Posts: 43
    edited May 2009
    I'll second the HSU suggestion. I got one a few months back and I love it!
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  • be83663
    be83663 Posts: 192
    edited May 2009
    Here is the answer for your search, KrazyMofo24:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/VELODYNE-DD-15-Digital-Drive-Series-Subwoofer_W0QQitemZ350182518017QQcmdZViewItem

    Enjoy the Sub!
    :)
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  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited May 2009
    Lots of great recommendations. My budget is around $500-600, and looking at mid to late June to make my decision. I'm looking at used or new I'm leaning towards Rel, or Totem right now. However I am going to do some more research.


    Basically looking to upgrade my system and specifically 2 channel, I just picked up a B&K ST-202, Parasound preamp so I think the sub is my next big upgrade since the sub I have now is only good for HT.

    Thanks again for all your guys input, I have a lot of good options now.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

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  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited May 2009
    I decided to pick up a Velodyne VX-10 on sale for $130 at Fry's. I decided that I want to get a great sub like the JL Fathom F112 or Rel B-Series something that will be a final upgrade. Again thanks for the recommendations I will look in to these further when the time comes to make that big purchase.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited May 2009
    Congrats on the Velo sub!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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