Johnny Cash's Hurt

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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited May 2009
    I was fortunate enough to see NIN twice on the Downward Spiral tour. Unbelievable shows and I think Venom hit the nail on the head in regards to the album. That thing stayed on constant repeat during my sophomore year in high school.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited May 2009
    After listening to Cash's version for about the 40th time in 2 days, I really think the video had a lot to do with it. I can't seem to find the actual music video for NIN. I feel like I can 'rock out' a lot more to the NIN version, but just seeing JR sing this song MAKES you feel it. I remember the first time I heard JRs version I still liked the NIN's version better...so I def. think it was the video that put it over the edge...but just slightly. Great kudos to whoever produced it. They really captured this song.

    Here's a question, what other covers do you guys like?

    I'm probably going to catch a lot of flak for this, but I liked Korn's Another Brick on the Wall more than I like Pink Floyd's original...
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  • POIDOG
    POIDOG Posts: 391
    edited May 2009
    "HELLO, I'M JOHNNY CASH !" :cool:

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/johnny-cash-albums-list.html
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  • Nicknice
    Nicknice Posts: 55
    edited May 2009
    Does anyone else have the Downward Spiral on SACD? If not, I suggest you get it.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,536
    edited May 2009
    exalted512 wrote: »
    He certainly looked and sounded (just his tone, still a damn awesome singer) like he was ready to let go.

    Just happened to early.
    -Cody

    That's what gave his cover such emotion--it was perfect.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited May 2009
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    Awesome.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,201
    edited May 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
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    Awesome.


    Yep Trent=true artistry.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2009
    I enjoyed the movie about his life (I Walk The Line) from a human interest point of view but I never cared very for Johnny Cash's music so I am not a fan. However, the video in the OP is very touching given where he was at that time in his life.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited May 2009
    shack wrote: »
    I enjoyed the movie about his life (I Walk The Line) from a human interest point of view but I never cared very for Johnny Cash's music so I am not a fan. However, the video in the OP is very touching given where he was at that time in his life.

    Yeah, I like a few of his songs, but I am right there with you.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited May 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Yeah, I like a few of his songs, but I am right there with you.

    same here. I like ring of fire and walk the line...a few other songs are okay too (boy named sue and folsom prison), but theyre not terribly high on my list of music i like to listen to on a regular basis...but 'hurt' was just such a fantastic song.

    And I listened to the sevendust song again...i think i dislike it more now...haha. There was absolutely no emotion to it....and thats what made this song great songs by JR and NIN.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited May 2009
    exalted512 wrote: »
    same here. I like ring of fire and walk the line...a few other songs are okay too (boy named sue and folsom prison), but theyre not terribly high on my list of music i like to listen to on a regular basis...but 'hurt' was just such a fantastic song.

    And I listened to the sevendust song again...i think i dislike it more now...haha. There was absolutely no emotion to it....and thats what made this song great songs by JR and NIN.
    -Cody

    I guess I like the Sevendust version because of the bass drum thumping in the background adds a different tone to the song. It gives me a sense of marching in an army or something.
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  • jmwest1970
    jmwest1970 Posts: 846
    edited May 2009
    After watching the 3 videos I'm not impressed with any of them. Maybe Cash was too old, or sick, but I don't perceive any real emotion in his version. I like a few of his other songs, but I'm not a big fan by any measure.

    I also agree with exalted512 that Sevendust were just singing a song. They just played it like they were at a high school dance getting paid peanuts.

    I'm not a NIN fan. In fact most things they put out get on my nerves like the Jolly Green Giant on some corn. This song enlightens me to Trent Rezner's song writing ability, but it comes across in the video, to me, like he was looking for a song to finish an album. It reminds me of the ballads that 80's Hair Bands always played put on their albums.
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  • nikolas812
    nikolas812 Posts: 2,915
    edited May 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
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    Awesome.





    That WAS awesome.:eek:








    Nick
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited May 2009
    With all due respect, I really can't see how anyone cannot appreciate the depths from which Cash pours himself into his version of HURT! It literally sounds like DEATH calling him...you'd have to have almost no emotion not to 'feel' what's exploding out of this man's final days.

    I was not a big Cash fan myself...but I heard this quite a while back on the college radio station and I was blown away...bought the CD the very next day. This piece is Vintage and 'transcendent', there's an old Confucian saying that talks about empathy and argues that if you don't have human-heartedness you are not 'human', i.e., if you can't feel the pain and suffering of another you are not one of us. This song taps into such "Universality" it's archetypal!

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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited May 2009
    cnh wrote: »
    With all due respect, I really can't see how anyone cannot appreciate the depths from which Cash pours himself into his version of HURT! It literally sounds like DEATH calling him...you'd have to have almost no emotion not to 'feel' what's exploding out of this man's final days.

    I agree, but everyone's entitled to their opinion.

    I am curious to what jmwest thinks is a song with emotion though.
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  • chillywilly
    chillywilly Posts: 167
    edited May 2009
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyUhX2YV6M

    I get goose bumps everytime I watch the video. Last time June was in one just before she past away
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  • jmwest1970
    jmwest1970 Posts: 846
    edited May 2009
    cnh wrote: »
    ...there's an old Confucian saying that talks about empathy and argues that if you don't have human-heartedness you are not 'human', i.e., if you can't feel the pain and suffering of another you are not one of us. This song taps into such "Universality" it's archetypal!

    I've been told this would apply to me most of the time. I occasionally find something touching in people, but for the most part people are out for themselves. I'm the same way.

    exalted512 wrote: »
    I agree, but everyone's entitled to their opinion.

    I am curious to what jmwest thinks is a song with emotion though.
    -Cody

    Everyone know the saying about opinions and Eric Clapton's Tears In Heaven comes to mind.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited May 2009
    jmwest1970 wrote: »
    After watching the 3 videos I'm not impressed with any of them.

    I'm not a NIN fan. In fact most things they put out get on my nerves like the Jolly Green Giant on some corn. This song enlightens me to Trent Rezner's song writing ability, but it comes across in the video, to me, like he was looking for a song to finish an album. It reminds me of the ballads that 80's Hair Bands always played put on their albums.

    Trent trained as a classical pianist long before he got involved with rock. Check out this version:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX8Lmcrm5sU&feature=related

    This is the official video played during the tour. Please remember that this song is the last in a progressive album. Similar to Pink Floyd's The Wall, but with a more raw, personal energy and journey. Hurt is the last song on the album, not only as a nice finisher, but also after the character in The Downward Spiral commits suicide. Whether the suicide is real or metaphor, is for you to determine. :)
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited May 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    This was done after he lost his wife June Carter Cash. Read the story. Very sad. He died shortly there after.
    RIP Johnny Cash:(

    are you sure this was recorded after she died? Who was the lady in the video?

    http://www.danspalding.com/teaching/hurt_lesson.pdf says she was still alive, but died shortly after....I'm not saying thats a great source, just trying to find out the real info.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited May 2009
    A review: I hear this song from each artists point of view. Trent Reznor penned a painfully beautiful song. His emotion in his words were true to an angst ridden few at the time that the song was released. NIN was the first angry/Emo bands of the 90's.
    Johhny Cash was "punk" in the 50's. His progression in the realm of country/rock/blugrass/blues/outlaw/ southern rock etc. has never been duplicated. Only honored by his peers.
    It took a vision from a producer, and I use that term loosely, to say "What if..??? to bring that sound to light.
    To see something in ones song and to hear coming from another.....

    ..more later...

    Cash is getting to the good part...:cool:
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited May 2009
    NIN and emo!?!?!! You should be shot! :p:p

    But seriously...emo kids are not to be confused with anything NIN.
    -Cody
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited May 2009
    exalted512 wrote: »
    NIN and emo!?!?!! You should be shot! :p:p

    But seriously...emo kids are not to be confused with anything NIN.
    -Cody

    Not the whiny **** as it is known as today.
    Look at the progression of "emo"tionally written music. In the early 80's there were bands like Depeche Mode, The Cure, Social Distotion.. and how could I forget The Smiths..
    That is where this "emo" thing sort of evolved from.

    ....
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited May 2009
    ..and don't shoot me. It only pisses me off.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited May 2009
    I never knew that Cash did a version of Hurt. That was a beautiful song. You can really see how much emotion he's feeling...he truly did make this one his own. I like it more than the NIN version myself. I've never been a huge Nails fan...I like and respect Trent Reznor quite a bit though. I went to a NIN show back when I was in high school, and it was an awesome time. I'm a big fan of Johnny Cash though. I know a couple of his songs on guitar actually. I can't sing anywhere near as low as he does though...

    The Sevendust version of Hurt didn't do it for me. As others have said...they weren't feeling the song, they were just playing it.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited May 2009
    Johnny Cash and Rick Rubin gave that song life, only knowing that his end was not far.
    You can almost hear Death calling him before the song is over. A man singing of his regrets.

    ....
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited May 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    NIN was the first angry/Emo bands of the 90's.
    nine inch nails aka Trent Reznor was one of, if not, the 1st INDUSTRIAL band.

    Thank you for playing :)
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,201
    edited May 2009
    I had the pleasure of seeing NIN on the Lights in the sky tour at Red Rocks, and how i wish they would have taped that show for DVD/Blu Ray. It was probably the best show i have ever seen Next to TOOL. There is no words to discribe that show and it being played at Red Rocks just made it all the better.

    Those of you that have never been to Red Rocks your missing out. When i get the chance to see a show there i am always glad i live in the foothills of the this state. Red Rocks is only 10 minutes from my house. the place is fantastic.

    That is all.

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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited May 2009
    halo wrote: »
    nine inch nails aka Trent Reznor was one of, if not, the 1st INDUSTRIAL band.

    Thank you for playing :)
    Fair enough. Industrial was a short lived faction that led up to the f*cked up **** that is known as emo. Emo is the music that now sells more albums. A band makes a recording and looks pretty.
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