Ubuntu 9.04 for Netbooks (EeePC, Dell Mini, etc.)

VSchneider
VSchneider Posts: 443
edited April 2009 in The Clubhouse
I know there are a few happy NetBook owners here, so you might be interested in another Linux OS option.
Jane Silber, COO, Canonical, says: “The latest feature enhancements in Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix are particularly well suited to the requirements of netbook fans. Faster boot speeds, enhanced power-management features and easier switching between networks delivers the best netbook end-user experience available for download today.”

Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix is out today -
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook

Some of these ultra-mobile PC's have been selling with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed, but Ubuntu 9.04 is now your latest version.

- Val
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    We tried Ubuntu on a Dell mini and found there were some needed windows based applications that just would not work with it and ended up with XP.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • VSchneider
    VSchneider Posts: 443
    edited April 2009
    Supposedly 9.04 Netbook Remix was fully tested and "Tier 1 approved" for Dell Mini 9, Acer Aspire One, Asus Eee 1000 and 900a, and Lenovo S10 - read here.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    We tried Ubuntu on a Dell mini and found there were some needed windows based applications that just would not work with it and ended up with XP.

    Wondering what you found ... I find OpenOffice and Thunderbird takes care of most big things for me - e-mail and office apps. I could see a big hole if you are using say Outlook tied to a Exchange server.

    There is QuickBooks, but my home/office and full size notebook takes care of that.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited April 2009
    VSchneider wrote: »
    I know there are a few happy NetBook owners here, so you might be interested in another Linux OS option.



    Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix is out today -
    http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook

    Some of these ultra-mobile PC's have been selling with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed, but Ubuntu 9.04 is now your latest version.

    - Val

    Didn't see a mention of bluetooth ... necessary for me for Internet Access over Verizon cellular.

    I'm guessing it works okay, would be nice to confirm.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,163
    edited April 2009
    My Dell mini has XP........Ubuntu just doesn't cut it. These little Netbooks are so inexpensive paying a bit more for Windows is worth it.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    VSchneider wrote: »
    Supposedly 9.04 Netbook Remix was fully tested and "Tier 1 approved" for Dell Mini 9, Acer Aspire One, Asus Eee 1000 and 900a, and Lenovo S10 - read here.

    Just becasue it "approved" doesn't mean it will do what I need. I need it for use with a version of Adobe Photoshop...and it is not compatable.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    heiney9 wrote:
    My Dell mini has XP as Ubuntu just doesn't cut it. These little Netbooks are so inexpensive paying a bit more for Windows is worth it.

    I wasn't very impressed with Ubuntu when I tried it on the Dell mini. Like everything else, it is really all about opinions and I just don't care for it.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    I wasn't very impressed with Ubuntu when I tried it on the Dell mini. Like everything else, it is really all about opinions and I just don't care for it.

    Yup ....

    I carry a mini with me in the glovebox, but also keep a full size notebook in the trunk. Mini is great for the quick e-mail, need to do something, don't want to cary 10lbs on my back.

    But for some things it doesn't cut it, regardless of what OS is on it.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    Just becasue it "approved" doesn't mean it will do what I need. I need it for use with a version of Adobe Photoshop...and it is not compatable.
    Have you tried GIMP? If it is not an option, you can always run Photoshop using WINE. I don't imagine you're doing any heavy picture processing with a netbook anyways. :)
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    Sami wrote:
    Have you tried GIMP? If it is not an option, you can always run Photoshop using WINE. I don't imagine you're doing any heavy picture processing with a netbook anyways. :)

    I'm familiar with gimp but I do all my processing with PS CS4. I use the mini to download from my CF card onto a WD passport when I'm out away from home to free up card space and as a backup. I have had a CF card corrupt before I was able to download the photos at home. They can be recovered, but it is a PITA. I want to use the same format to download as I do for PP. Not a lot of processing, but I will do a small amount of PP from time to time on the mini...but that is not the norm.

    Plus...I didn't really like Ubuntu. That made my choice easy.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited April 2009
    All I can say is my mini runs an XP version. It's been OK. But Ubuntu has saved my a$$ a number of times when XP has crashed on my main laptop.

    cnh
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  • VSchneider
    VSchneider Posts: 443
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    Just becasue it "approved" doesn't mean it will do what I need. I need it for use with a version of Adobe Photoshop...and it is not compatible.

    offtopic...
    Shack, Does that little Intel Atom CPU really seem to have enough guts for Photoshop work?

    edit: nevermind, shack. You've just answered it, and I got distracted when I started typing my question.

    edit#2: ^^ what cnh said ^^ Ubuntu has never been my 1st choice for an OS, but it is so nice to know there's a free easy option to recover my PC when Windows does it's thing from time to time...
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,711
    edited April 2009
    cool enough!

    typin' on a desktop running v.7.10 even now...
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    Plus...I didn't really like Ubuntu. That made my choice easy.

    That's understandable but a totally different reason than in your original post. Photoshop works in Ubuntu so the real reason was your personal taste, not needed software... ;)
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited April 2009
    Thanks for the link. Quick question though - what footprint do I need for Ubuntu? I only have a 4 gig drive in my netbook....
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited April 2009
    This should give you an idea: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    Sami wrote:
    That's understandable but a totally different reason than in your original post. Photoshop works in Ubuntu so the real reason was your personal taste, not needed software... ;)

    The version I had did not support photoshop.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    The version I had did not support photoshop.

    Which version did you have, or how long ago was this? Did you install WINE? It isn't a straight install, you do have to do a little work to get it working (but it does work).

    Here's Ubuntu running CS4:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mEo1GXfsTg

    You probably can't do this with a netbook (found this as a related link, looks pretty cool, one of the best Compiz demos I have seen):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zm5KRHShxc&feature=related
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2009
    I just got done setting up my Eee pc today I got from woot. Man am I glad I got the 8gb hard drive. Just installing google chrome, gmail notifier, office, and my printer...im already down to only 1.76 gb left!
    -Cody
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    8.04 last summer. At the time I was running CS2 and have now upgraded to CS4. It simply would not load.

    Why would I want to go to all the trouble to install wine and f**k with it to get something to run when a simple install of windows XP took care of my issues?
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited April 2009
    exalted512 wrote: »
    I just got done setting up my Eee pc today I got from woot. Man am I glad I got the 8gb hard drive. Just installing google chrome, gmail notifier, office, and my printer...im already down to only 1.76 gb left!
    -Cody

    You got the one from Sellout (obviously) - I haven't even received my shipping notification yet.... :(

    I did get a 2 gig memory upgrade, but just have the 4gig drive in mine. If needed, I plan to get a 32gig drop in....

    Michael
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    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2009
    McLoki wrote: »
    You got the one from Sellout (obviously) - I haven't even received my shipping notification yet.... :(

    I did get a 2 gig memory upgrade, but just have the 4gig drive in mine. If needed, I plan to get a 32gig drop in....

    Michael

    i didnt receive my shipping notification either...but here they were on my door step when I got home. Theyre based out of texas and i live out of texas, so I'm sure yours will come soon.

    I like it so far...so cute! haha. Its pretty small, but pretty much what I was looking for...wish it wouldve had a 10gb hard drive though.
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited April 2009
    exalted512 wrote: »
    wish it wouldve had a 10gb hard drive though.
    -Cody

    You know you can upgrade the flash drive right? (to a faster drive as well as larger)

    It is about $55 for a 16gig drive, $86 for a 32 gig drive or $149 for a 64gig drive.

    If I end up with an upgrade, I plan to get the 32gig drive as that seems to be the current sweet spot for a fast drive with a decent $\gig ratio...

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    8.04 last summer. At the time I was running CS2 and have now upgraded to CS4. It simply would not load.

    Both work in 8.04 w/ WINE.
    shack wrote: »
    Why would I want to go to all the trouble to install wine and f**k with it to get something to run when a simple install of windows XP took care of my issues?

    That's not the point (and it's not much of a trouble either). Neither is that CS4 costs almost the same as the netbook while GIMP is free and does about the same thing. Here's your quote:
    shack wrote:
    found there were some needed windows based applications that just would not work

    Simply pointing out that is incorrect at least for Photoshop. That's all.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2009
    McLoki wrote: »
    You know you can upgrade the flash drive right? (to a faster drive as well as larger)

    It is about $55 for a 16gig drive, $86 for a 32 gig drive or $149 for a 64gig drive.

    If I end up with an upgrade, I plan to get the 32gig drive as that seems to be the current sweet spot for a fast drive with a decent $\gig ratio...

    Michael
    Thanks for the links! I'm guessing I would have to reinstall windows if i did that right?
    -Cody
    Music is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    I stand by everything I said...regardless of your wanting to "set me straight". I don't know what you motivation is...maybe you are a ubuntu "fan" and can't imagine anyone else wouldn't like it. Go argue your points with someone else. Bye.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited April 2009
    shack wrote: »
    I don't know what you motivation is...maybe you are a ubuntu "fan" and can't imagine anyone else wouldn't like it.

    I can understand why someone wouldn't like it, it's not for everyone. Do you always get this touchy when someone points out you were not correct? It's not something one would expect you to know, especially since you need to run it with WINE. I don't see anything wrong in posting that it actually works, especially since there was no disrespect shown (nor intended) towards you, Windows or Photoshop. The wink on my second post was there for a reason, to try to make sure the comment would not have been taken as such.
    shack wrote: »
    Go argue your points with someone else.

    Maybe you should take your attitude and throw your fits in some other thread? Linux obviously isn't for you.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited April 2009
    exalted512 wrote: »
    Thanks for the links! I'm guessing I would have to reinstall windows if i did that right?
    -Cody

    Yes - it is an actual hard drive replacement (you would have to reinstall - and unless you have a bootable thumb drive - you would want to get a USB cd player).

    On the good side - you would have the room to install a full copy of XP pro if you wanted. (With the hardware overhead of Vista - I really could not recommend that even though you would have the room. You could give Windows 7 a shot if you wanted though)

    Right now the plan for me is to run Linux on mine. If that does not work out though - I will give Windows 7 a try and if that fails as well - off to good ol' XP.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,163
    edited April 2009
    McLoki wrote: »
    You know you can upgrade the flash drive right? (to a faster drive as well as larger)

    It is about $55 for a 16gig drive, $86 for a 32 gig drive or $149 for a 64gig drive.

    If I end up with an upgrade, I plan to get the 32gig drive as that seems to be the current sweet spot for a fast drive with a decent $\gig ratio...

    Michael

    As a side note these will NOT fit the Dell Mini 9. The Dell Mini 9 SS HD is about 1/4-1/2" shorter. Those wanting to upgrade the Solid State drive in the Dell Mini 9 need to go here:

    http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=800008E6-1225426254

    http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=800008DD-1224564080

    http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=800008DE-1224564428

    I have a Mini 9 and I love it. 8gb HD and 1g of ram. I use it to wander around the house, deck and occasionally to a friends house. Mostly for internet, e-mail, wi-fi and light computing.

    Don't forget you can get an 8g or 16g SDHC card that can act as a drive also. It's a tad slower but still completely useful unless you are doing some powerful computing.

    http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=Browse+By+Product+Type:Digital+Flash+Memory+Cards+CF,+SD,+MS+etc.:Secure+Digital+High+Capacity+(SDHC)+Cards:Compare+8GB+SDHC+Cards

    http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=Browse+By+Product+Type:Digital+Flash+Memory+Cards+CF,+SD,+MS+etc.:Secure+Digital+High+Capacity+(SDHC)+Cards:Compare+16GB+SDHC+Cards

    FWIW

    H9

    P.s. the Mini 9 drive is 50mm, the other popular brands use a 70mm SSHD.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited April 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    As a side note these will NOT fit the Dell Mini 9.

    Sorry about that - I should have been more clear. Those drives are for the ASUS eee PC (of recent Woot fame). At least that was what I was planning to use them for...

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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