Another one bites the dust!

jrgoswick
jrgoswick Posts: 159
edited April 2009 in Vintage Speakers
I HATE MP3'S! I effing hate them. I knew better, but listened anyway. About half way through some Pink Floyd at a reasonable volume, one of my SL2500 puked. This is REALLY starting to get expensive, does ANYONE have any ideas to help avoid this problem in the future?:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR
Onkyo M-501-Given to my father.
Onkyo DX-C730 CD Changer
Onkyo DV-BD507 Blu Ray player
Onkyo CP-1036A turntable with Grado, Audio Technique, and Azden cartridges(GOT CARTRIDGE??)
Polk Monitor 12's with RDO's and XO's
Polk CS300 Center
Polk Monitor Series 4 rears

EBAY is like cocaine. At first you only look, next thing you know, your house is full of crap you have no idea why you own.:eek:
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,211
    edited April 2009
    Turn it down, ditch the source.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • jrgoswick
    jrgoswick Posts: 159
    edited April 2009
    I need clean power also(I'm trying to kill an old Sansui-it just won't die). I knew the source was the problem BEFORE I STARTED!! Anyone who says MP3's sound good needs to be shot.
    Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR
    Onkyo M-501-Given to my father.
    Onkyo DX-C730 CD Changer
    Onkyo DV-BD507 Blu Ray player
    Onkyo CP-1036A turntable with Grado, Audio Technique, and Azden cartridges(GOT CARTRIDGE??)
    Polk Monitor 12's with RDO's and XO's
    Polk CS300 Center
    Polk Monitor Series 4 rears

    EBAY is like cocaine. At first you only look, next thing you know, your house is full of crap you have no idea why you own.:eek:
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  • rallyshark
    rallyshark Posts: 417
    edited April 2009
    Polyswitch? Anyone?.......
    Granted I'm no expert, but I find it unlikely that mp3s are why your tweets crapped out. Turn it down or get cleaner power. If mp3s were the cause, then there would be countless blown speakers going around. Also, there are different types or formats of mp3s. Some do indeed sound like ****, but others can be made bearable. The polyswitch on you crossover may be your problem, in which case, polk will send you more. Just trying to help:D
    Sony 40" LCD
    Sony DVPCX995V
    Sony PS3(games/media server)
    Sony PS2
    WD TV Live with 3TB
    Sanyo VCR
    Marantz SR6003
    Polk 11T(xover/RDO)
    RM20 5 pack
    OWM 5
    DUAL Micro Pro 1000
    Combastard Cable
    Harmony One
    When rapture comes, can I have your car?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2009
    Rip sound files to lossless/flac/wav, get a good DAC, and get some clean power.

    I believe the replacement tweeter is the RD0-198, which is my favorite for vintage Polks.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • rallyshark
    rallyshark Posts: 417
    edited April 2009
    Oh yeah, and please don't shoot me. That would hurt and I don't have insurance.
    Sony 40" LCD
    Sony DVPCX995V
    Sony PS3(games/media server)
    Sony PS2
    WD TV Live with 3TB
    Sanyo VCR
    Marantz SR6003
    Polk 11T(xover/RDO)
    RM20 5 pack
    OWM 5
    DUAL Micro Pro 1000
    Combastard Cable
    Harmony One
    When rapture comes, can I have your car?
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited April 2009
    Why would you credit mp3's for killing one of your OLD speakers? It seem much more reasonable to assume that the old speaker simply malfunctioned due to age of components within. And probably from playing your receiver way too loud.

    I listen to my mp3 player through my system all day long with no ill effects on my 19 year old speakers. But I also know that sooner or later time will take its toll on these beloved speakers of mine. At which time I will replace them.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • jrgoswick
    jrgoswick Posts: 159
    edited April 2009
    I apologize for my ill behavior earlier polks. I was rather upset when I posted this. My M12's have the original cross-overs in them, there is no poly switch. And I DO need cleaner power(and RDO's apparently with a cross-over update). The thing that pissed me off was that it wasn't loud at all(which is why I'm attributing it to the source), maybe 25% gain on the receiver. I had a pair of M10's that I gave to my father that died in the same manner on an Onkyo M-501 that I went through(mostly power supply udgrades-bridge, caps, ect.). They ALWAYS puke on me at LOW volume. Again, I apologize for my ill behavior.
    Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR
    Onkyo M-501-Given to my father.
    Onkyo DX-C730 CD Changer
    Onkyo DV-BD507 Blu Ray player
    Onkyo CP-1036A turntable with Grado, Audio Technique, and Azden cartridges(GOT CARTRIDGE??)
    Polk Monitor 12's with RDO's and XO's
    Polk CS300 Center
    Polk Monitor Series 4 rears

    EBAY is like cocaine. At first you only look, next thing you know, your house is full of crap you have no idea why you own.:eek:
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  • rallyshark
    rallyshark Posts: 417
    edited April 2009
    I see no need to apologize:) We have all been at the point when equipment fails and we get REALLY frustrated and pissed off. I'm sure that has happened to most everyone on here at some point. Sometimes it just makes us feel better if we can blame something.:D
    Sony 40" LCD
    Sony DVPCX995V
    Sony PS3(games/media server)
    Sony PS2
    WD TV Live with 3TB
    Sanyo VCR
    Marantz SR6003
    Polk 11T(xover/RDO)
    RM20 5 pack
    OWM 5
    DUAL Micro Pro 1000
    Combastard Cable
    Harmony One
    When rapture comes, can I have your car?
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,393
    edited April 2009
    I hadn't heard of any problems with mp3's killing speakers until a few days ago. I guess that they could if the bit rate is low. Sorry to hear about your speakers. Go with the RDO's in both speakers. You will not regret it.
    Stan
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
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  • zarrdoss
    zarrdoss Posts: 2,562
    edited April 2009
    did you already blow one of the 2500's I sold you?
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  • jrgoswick
    jrgoswick Posts: 159
    edited April 2009
    Yes sir, I did. Dirty source and crap power. It's all good though, now I've got a reason to go through them COMPLETELY!
    Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR
    Onkyo M-501-Given to my father.
    Onkyo DX-C730 CD Changer
    Onkyo DV-BD507 Blu Ray player
    Onkyo CP-1036A turntable with Grado, Audio Technique, and Azden cartridges(GOT CARTRIDGE??)
    Polk Monitor 12's with RDO's and XO's
    Polk CS300 Center
    Polk Monitor Series 4 rears

    EBAY is like cocaine. At first you only look, next thing you know, your house is full of crap you have no idea why you own.:eek:
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited April 2009
    What volumes are you guys playing at? Even with a power amp I rarely get above 0 on my Denon AVR (-80/+18)?

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • jrgoswick
    jrgoswick Posts: 159
    edited April 2009
    100 to 102dB is my guess. I don't have a meter anymore so I don't honestly know. Sounds good on the porch with the windows open:D!
    Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR
    Onkyo M-501-Given to my father.
    Onkyo DX-C730 CD Changer
    Onkyo DV-BD507 Blu Ray player
    Onkyo CP-1036A turntable with Grado, Audio Technique, and Azden cartridges(GOT CARTRIDGE??)
    Polk Monitor 12's with RDO's and XO's
    Polk CS300 Center
    Polk Monitor Series 4 rears

    EBAY is like cocaine. At first you only look, next thing you know, your house is full of crap you have no idea why you own.:eek:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,214
    edited April 2009
    jrgoswick wrote: »
    I HATE MP3'S! I effing hate them. I knew better, but listened anyway. About half way through some Pink Floyd at a reasonable volume, one of my SL2500 puked. This is REALLY starting to get expensive, does ANYONE have any ideas to help avoid this problem in the future?:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Get better gear and don't listen to MP3's. Use headphones
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,214
    edited April 2009
    skrol wrote: »
    I hadn't heard of any problems with mp3's killing speakers until a few days ago. I guess that they could if the bit rate is low. Sorry to hear about your speakers. Go with the RDO's in both speakers. You will not regret it.
    Stan

    He'll still blow them listening to MP3's.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited April 2009
    He;ll still blow them by listening too damn loud.

    God, some people should be able to buy common sense!
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,214
    edited April 2009
    cfrizz wrote: »
    God, some people should be able to buy common sense!


    Most, if not all, couldn't afford it.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited April 2009
    cfrizz wrote: »
    He;ll still blow them by listening too damn loud.

    God, some people should be able to buy common sense!

    Most Polk SDA's with a decent source can sustain incredible db levels, perhaps to 110-115, but just a hint of distortion, even at 90 db can pop a tweet. "jr" needs to clean up his source if he wants to run with the big dogs!
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
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  • jrgoswick
    jrgoswick Posts: 159
    edited April 2009
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Most Polk SDA's with a decent source can sustain incredible db levels, perhaps to 110-115, but just a hint of distortion, even at 90 db can pop a tweet. "jr" needs to clean up his source if he wants to run with the big dogs!

    YUP! And I know source and power are the problems, unfortunately I don't have more money than sense.
    And to the few with the snotty attitudes-PISS OFF!! I bought them to enjoy, to listen too, not to look at. Mine actually get listening time.
    Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR
    Onkyo M-501-Given to my father.
    Onkyo DX-C730 CD Changer
    Onkyo DV-BD507 Blu Ray player
    Onkyo CP-1036A turntable with Grado, Audio Technique, and Azden cartridges(GOT CARTRIDGE??)
    Polk Monitor 12's with RDO's and XO's
    Polk CS300 Center
    Polk Monitor Series 4 rears

    EBAY is like cocaine. At first you only look, next thing you know, your house is full of crap you have no idea why you own.:eek:
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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited April 2009
    You asked - "This is REALLY starting to get expensive, does ANYONE have any ideas to help avoid this problem in the future?"

    and you got answers. granted, they may not be what you want to hear... but you did get answers to your original question.

    You also state - "I'm trying to kill an old Sansui-it just won't die"

    I'm guessing the above is the root of your problems. Respect your speakers, and they'll respect your wallet.
    Ludicrous gibs!
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  • jrgoswick
    jrgoswick Posts: 159
    edited April 2009
    nadams wrote: »
    You asked - "This is REALLY starting to get expensive, does ANYONE have any ideas to help avoid this problem in the future?"

    and you got answers. granted, they may not be what you want to hear... but you did get answers to your original question.

    You also state - "I'm trying to kill an old Sansui-it just won't die"

    I'm guessing the above is the root of your problems. Respect your speakers, and they'll respect your wallet.

    The answers I don't mind, it's the negative attitudes of some individuals that pisses me off. I was asking for assistance with a problem, not sarcastic **** from people. Those who gave GOOD input, I thank you. Those who where talking ****, PISS OFF!
    Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR
    Onkyo M-501-Given to my father.
    Onkyo DX-C730 CD Changer
    Onkyo DV-BD507 Blu Ray player
    Onkyo CP-1036A turntable with Grado, Audio Technique, and Azden cartridges(GOT CARTRIDGE??)
    Polk Monitor 12's with RDO's and XO's
    Polk CS300 Center
    Polk Monitor Series 4 rears

    EBAY is like cocaine. At first you only look, next thing you know, your house is full of crap you have no idea why you own.:eek:
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  • 2turbos
    2turbos Posts: 20
    edited April 2009
    Use a Fusetron FNM 8/10A 250 V dual element motor fuse and holder. The filaments melt at 60w continuous.
    We used these "back in the day" to protect OLAs (old Large Advent) whose tweeters were prone to blow at high sound levels when the amp was driven into clipping.
    Won't save them all though. We would Rock & Roll those large Advents in relative safety!
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