speaker settings

chemical
chemical Posts: 100
edited April 2009 in Speakers
my modest set up consisits of an onkyo 606 a/v.....monitor 50's for fronts and surrounds....cs1 center.... monitor 30's for rear surrounds....and a psw 10....i ran audyssey and it set my front speakers to large

i'd like to try to set the eq settings my self...but am clueless as where to start

for the front center and surrounds it has a list of
63Hz ---- 0dB
250Hz---- 0dB
1000Hz---- 0dB
4000Hz---- 0dB
16000Hz---- 0dB

for the sub
25Hz---- 0dB
40Hz---- 0dB
63Hz---- 0dB
100Hz---- 0db
160Hz---- 0db

the dB settings go from -6 to + 6

do i need to adjust the dB setting for each of the Hz points ? whats a good starting point.....thanks for your help....and i apologize for my speaker ignorance
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited March 2009
    It completely depends on your ears and the rooms acoustics. That's why the automatic equalization settings are recommended on surround receiver set ups. I'd use the auto set up to start and then maybe eq sub up or down a bit. Unless you are already hearing really harsh highs or boomy lows modern receiver auto setups do a great job on their own.
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  • apphd
    apphd Posts: 1,514
    edited March 2009
    What crossover settings did it give you? I thought Onkyo did not have a "large/small" setting, hopefully some Onk owners will add to this, Curt, wutadumsn where are you? There may be some room for improvement there, but as Fongolio pointed out it comes down to the rooms acoustics and your ears.

    Rough starting point I would suggest setting the front, center and surrounds to 80Hz. The sub at 80Hz in the Onk and turn the setting on the sub up to the highest setting I think it's somewhere around 160Hz using the LFE out from the Onk.
  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited March 2009
    apphd wrote: »
    What crossover settings did it give you? I thought Onkyo did not have a "large/small" setting, hopefully some Onk owners will add to this, Curt, wutadumsn where are you? There may be some room for improvement there, but as Fongolio pointed out it comes down to the rooms acoustics and your ears.

    Rough starting point I would suggest setting the front, center and surrounds to 80Hz. The sub at 80Hz in the Onk and turn the setting on the sub up to the highest setting I think it's somewhere around 160Hz using the LFE out from the Onk.

    I think what he's trying to adjust is not the crossover point of the sub/speakers but the built in parametric equalizer. The receiver must have an auto room calibration system which is always the best "starting" point. For crossover point I agree 80 Hz is a good start for the sub setting in the receiver settings with the crossover dial on the sub itself all the way up.
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited March 2009
    Fongolio wrote: »
    I think what he's trying to adjust is not the crossover point of the sub/speakers but the built in parametric equalizer. The receiver must have an auto room calibration system which is always the best "starting" point. For crossover point I agree 80 Hz is a good start for the sub setting in the receiver settings with the crossover dial on the sub itself all the way up.


    Yeah - that is what I was thinking.

    It sounds similar to my avr where you can use the 'graphic' equalizer to change specific frequency bands for boost or cut.

    For my avr, if you use the auto calibration, it uses the built in 'parametric' eq settings.

    If that does not do it for you for the sound you are looking for, or for the speakers and room setup that you are in, you can go in and turn off the PEQ and instead 'tweak' the bands yourself using the GEQ.

    I'd encourage chemical to just go at it and play around and learn his avr.

    Save a 'default' setting in the avr - if it has memory locations. Then pluck up the courage to just start playing with settings to see what sounds best TO YOU. That is all that matters - and don't be intimidated by the avr and all the settings.

    If you mess something up or don't like the sound, recall the 'default' setting you saved and start over with adjustments.

    You may find that you like everything set to 0db - but at least you know! :D

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
  • chemical
    chemical Posts: 100
    edited March 2009
    apphd wrote: »
    What crossover settings did it give you? I thought Onkyo did not have a "large/small" setting, hopefully some Onk owners will add to this, Curt, wutadumsn where are you? There may be some room for improvement there, but as Fongolio pointed out it comes down to the rooms acoustics and your ears.

    Rough starting point I would suggest setting the front, center and surrounds to 80Hz. The sub at 80Hz in the Onk and turn the setting on the sub up to the highest setting I think it's somewhere around 160Hz using the LFE out from the Onk.

    no the onk doesn't have large/small setting....it set them to full range....which i understand is the same as large......thanks ..i kind of figured its what sounds best to me that matters
  • chemical
    chemical Posts: 100
    edited March 2009
    Fongolio wrote: »
    I think what he's trying to adjust is not the crossover point of the sub/speakers but the built in parametric equalizer. The receiver must have an auto room calibration system which is always the best "starting" point. For crossover point I agree 80 Hz is a good start for the sub setting in the receiver settings with the crossover dial on the sub itself all the way up.


    thats right fongolio....the crossover setting is good......its the eq i want to know about....i did the auto calibration...it sounds good....but it put my fronts aat full range/large.....before running the auto set up i had all the xo's set at 80 Hz with the eq off.....didn't sound bad...but the auto eq made it better....thanks for your help
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2009
    You could use REW (room eq wizard...hometheatershack) to viusalize your freqs and their db levels. You will need a decent mic like the BFD8300)
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  • chemical
    chemical Posts: 100
    edited March 2009
    Erik Tracy wrote: »
    Yeah - that is what I was thinking.

    It sounds similar to my avr where you can use the 'graphic' equalizer to change specific frequency bands for boost or cut.

    For my avr, if you use the auto calibration, it uses the built in 'parametric' eq settings.

    If that does not do it for you for the sound you are looking for, or for the speakers and room setup that you are in, you can go in and turn off the PEQ and instead 'tweak' the bands yourself using the GEQ.

    I'd encourage chemical to just go at it and play around and learn his avr.

    Save a 'default' setting in the avr - if it has memory locations. Then pluck up the courage to just start playing with settings to see what sounds best TO YOU. That is all that matters - and don't be intimidated by the avr and all the settings.

    If you mess something up or don't like the sound, recall the 'default' setting you saved and start over with adjustments.

    You may find that you like everything set to 0db - but at least you know! :D

    i guess thats what it boils down to....i'm new at this...and its very intimidating....when the eq is in the auto setting....it doesn't show what the individual setting are....it just says audessey....i'd like to try setting my own eq.....do i need to set the dB rate for each Hz setting???...or do i just pick one Hz setting for each speaker???can i damage my a/v or speakers with some bonehead setting????.....thanks for the help erik......thanks all of you for your help.....this noob appreciates it
  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited March 2009
    chemical wrote: »
    i guess thats what it boils down to....i'm new at this...and its very intimidating....when the eq is in the auto setting....it doesn't show what the individual setting are....it just says audessey....i'd like to try setting my own eq.....do i need to set the dB rate for each Hz setting???...or do i just pick one Hz setting for each speaker???can i damage my a/v or speakers with some bonehead setting????.....thanks for the help erik......thanks all of you for your help.....this noob appreciates it

    Depending on the avr you have, the results of auto calibrations may be 'reported' by the avr.

    For example, when I run YPAO (Yamaha's equivalent to the auto cal routine like Audesssey) my Yamaha reports the frequency 'adjustments' for every speaker for the PEQ results - but it is only reported after you run the YPAO auto calibration - the results are not saved. So I have to write them down if I want to know how each frequency was changed.

    If you run Audessey, then I would guess that each frequency band is adjusted to calibrate the room response based on your speakers, their location, and your room acoustics.

    Once you run "auto calibration" you do not have to change anything beyond that - unless you are not satisfied with the results.

    That is where you can go in and manually set the different frequencies to boost or cut those frequencies you want....it is entirely up to you and your personal preferences.

    If you like the job that Audessey does for you and you like the sound that you are getting now - then sit back and enjoy your system and the sound.

    There is no rush to be a 'tweaker'! :D

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  • Ejhocky313
    Ejhocky313 Posts: 8
    edited April 2009
    I have a similar setup (FR/FL Monitor 50's - audessey set as large, CS10 Center channel - audessey set as large, and the Monitor 30's in the back were set to small with 60hz crossover)

    I have a denon avr and when the test is complete, it lets me view all of the results and the distances were spot on. It sounds good, and I am happy with the auto calibration.