Frozen Shoulder?

wingnut4772

Hobbyguy wrote: »

No that is not the first thing that I would do. I did my orthopaedic residency training at the Mayo Clinic so I know a little bit about orthopaedics. MRI is useful for confirmation of clinical findings and or extent. I don't know how old you are but if you are under 40 years old it will be extremely unlikely that you will have a rotator cuff tear, if you are over 40 and you are not responding to treatment then I would consider an MRI to look for an associated injury.
Big Mac has a very good regimen that I agree with.
I agree with your avoidance of NSAIDs...I think that we will see in the future that they are not as helpful as we believed. We have already learned from studies that they delay bone and tendon healing. If tylenol or aspirin works then use these.

Thanks Hobbyguy. What did you think of that video exercise?Or is that what you were referring to?

Music Joe

I've been going through this for 5 weeks now. My wife told me it was frozen shoulder, she had it many years ago.
I think mine is from pairing several nights near a cold window with wedging in the floorboard of a old Chevy truck to install a stereo.
Anti_inflammatory/Ibuprofen has helped and now a little over a month things is gettin better. Although... if I reach for something too fast while twisting just so... IT WILL make me see stars/nausea and begging for a wood shampoo....a minute later I can pick up a sack of dog food no problem :rolleyes:

Along with having no time, I know I will not see a doctor unless my arm turns purple and falls off.

I certainly wish you well or speedy recovery D.

Face

Just a FIY, I had frozen shoulder and a (suspected)pinched nerve in my shoulder and the MRI showed neither.

Music Joe

Researching frozen shoulder on the web tells me I must have a less debilitating ie: bursitis/tedonitis. I'll just modify 'I feel your pain' -to- 'I feel a percentage of it'.
Sincerely, sending Karmic waves your way, get well.

BigMac

I wanted to finish this earlier but I had to go. Well, a few other things to keep in mind as well. You can always go on an anti-inflammatory diet. All that means really is that you will be eating healthy and leaving out all the processed "junk" food. Just Google it and everything will be explained. My personal choices say this was to happen to me.........

1. More fish especially Salmon (always get wild-higher Omega 3 content)

2. No refined products or anything boxed (will help your body do a mini detox by omitting many unnatural ingredients and help to get it running optimally)

2.5 Try to eat as much fresh food as you can (I live by this rule when eating....the more colorful the food on your plate (think lots of different veggies) the better off you will be health wise)

3. I would take cissus (helps your body repair you)

4. 8-10 8oz. glasses of water (VERY important)

5. sleep (your body does most of the repair work when you sleep)

6. Do stretching and strengthening exercises daily or as prescribed by my Doc

7. This is optional but a good alternative to "drug" anti-inflammatories. Try to incorporate them into your weekly cooking. TONS of benefits besides helping to reduce inflammation.

-Ginger
-Tumeric
-Grape seed extract

Best of luck.

Hobbyguy

I think the video is as stated....not for everybody; you will not be able to do this for a long time if your diagnosis of adhesive capsulitis is correct. I was agreeing to the rest of the statements. slow and steady. It's ok to cause mild discomfort when doing stretching exercises but avoid moderate or severe pain. A good program should place stretch on your entire glenohumeral joint capsule. Your therapist will assist you with the best static progressive stretching exercises that are tailored to you.
I also agree with sleep (nature's Balm) and healthy diet.
Nobody knows how much water is ideal and it varies with body weight, renal function, genetics but trying to stay adequately hydrated is good advice.

Marty913

I was diagnosed with a frozen shoulder a couple years ago (2006) just after my move from Kansas back to Florida. To much moving & painting on both ends I think. Couldn't raise my left arm much above waist level without pain. Sleeping on the left side was a no, no. Twisting anything like opening a bottle was out. Worst of all, I couldn't swing a golf club. Thank god I could drink with the other arm.

My family practitioner guy here sent me to an orthopedic guy, did the MRI thing, and gave me three choices (physical therapy, cortisone to buy time, or surgery).

I took the PT option. Attended 15 sessions over 3 months (1-2 hours each) at a local house of pain called NovaCare (we called it NovaCruel). Rubber ropes, weights, etc. Anyway, they fixed it and it's been fine ever since. I'm sure there are varying degrees of damage (and physical therapist competence) but in my case the process took about 3 months.

I can't imagine they could recommend treatment options without an MRI but then again, I'm not a doctor and haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn Express recently. My family doctor wouldn't even send me to the Ortho guy without an Xray and the Ortho guy wanted MRI's done with different views before he would even talk to me.

cfrizz

:eek: Yup been there done that! I'll never forget bending slightly to pick up my keys from my desk at work and feeling my muscle/tendon go STREEETCH POP! I actually heard the POP! All I could do was freeze, cry, and wait for the pain to pass. A few minutes later I was fine!:rolleyes:

I'd like to say I feel your pain Darla, but quite frankly I don't EVER want to feel that ever again! The ibuprophen was the only thing that kept me somewhat mobile & somewhat pain free. But I can only take limited amounts myself.

Music Joe wrote: »

Although... if I reach for something too fast while twisting just so... IT WILL make me see stars/nausea and begging for a wood shampoo....a minute later I can pick up a sack of dog food no problem :rolleyes:

Along with having no time, I know I will not see a doctor unless my arm turns purple and falls off.

I certainly wish you well or speedy recovery D.

Face

For the first few months after I injured my shoulder/neck/back, anytime I put a strain on my shoulder it sounded like someone dropped pebbles in a meat grinder, pop pop pop crunch pop crunch...

wingnut4772

Music Joe wrote: »

I've been going through this for 5 weeks now. My wife told me it was frozen shoulder, she had it many years ago.
I think mine is from pairing several nights near a cold window with wedging in the floorboard of a old Chevy truck to install a stereo.
Anti_inflammatory/Ibuprofen has helped and now a little over a month things is gettin better. Although... if I reach for something too fast while twisting just so... IT WILL make me see stars/nausea and begging for a wood shampoo....a minute later I can pick up a sack of dog food no problem :rolleyes:

Along with having no time, I know I will not see a doctor unless my arm turns purple and falls off.

I certainly wish you well or speedy recovery D.

Boy do I know about the sudden movement pain. I was opening up a can of Pam. The lid came off but with force causing my left arm to torque away from the can and MAN! I saw little birdies, stars, you name it. Then about 3 to 5 minutes later I was ok.

wingnut4772

BigMac wrote: »

I wanted to finish this earlier but I had to go. Well, a few other things to keep in mind as well. You can always go on an anti-inflammatory diet. All that means really is that you will be eating healthy and leaving out all the processed "junk" food. Just Google it and everything will be explained. My personal choices say this was to happen to me.........

1. More fish especially Salmon (always get wild-higher Omega 3 content)

2. No refined products or anything boxed (will help your body do a mini detox by omitting many unnatural ingredients and help to get it running optimally)

2.5 Try to eat as much fresh food as you can (I live by this rule when eating....the more colorful the food on your plate (think lots of different veggies) the better off you will be health wise)

3. I would take cissus (helps your body repair you)

4. 8-10 8oz. glasses of water (VERY important)

5. sleep (your body does most of the repair work when you sleep)

6. Do stretching and strengthening exercises daily or as prescribed by my Doc

7. This is optional but a good alternative to "drug" anti-inflammatories. Try to incorporate them into your weekly cooking. TONS of benefits besides helping to reduce inflammation.

-Ginger
-Tumeric
-Grape seed extract

Best of luck.

Thanks Big Mac..I actually am pretty familiar with this diet. I used to live by it but I have slipped away from it these past few months. Time to go back.

cnh

I'd also think about joint supplements Glucosamine/chondroitin and MSM, etc. When I got into my 40s I found it tough to continue my workouts, too stiff, too much pain, injuries, etc.

Over 10 years later, my joints no better no worse but less pain, few if any injuries, and I'm lifting like I did in my 30s. Placebo or not, I wouldn't be able to touch a weight without this stuff!

cnh

shadowofnight

Sorry to hear about your shoulder Darla, I know how much that can really hurt.

Having both a back and a shoulder issue at the moment...you would think the shoulder would take second fiddle...hell no...I am going to have the shoulder surgery first.

Its strange, I have won arm wrestling contests at the fairgrounds and STILL could right now with my bad shoulder....but lifting the arm extended straight up with just a 5 pound weight on the back of my hand is excruciating. So pulling and rotating is fine...but lifting any weight up with an already extended arm is like a hot poker going into the top of my shoulder.

Also, for me the 800mg Ibuprofens help better then the narcotics ...hey...when you do get your MRI...have them send you home with a set of the pics...I just did for mine today...we could compare battle wounds

wingnut4772

Call me crazy but I started taking Super Cissus RX and that stuff really seems to be doing something. I actually slept through a night without waking up from shoulder pain. I've only been taking it a few days but I am encouraged. Thanks.

BigMac

wingnut4772 wrote: »

Call me crazy but I started taking Super Cissus RX and that stuff really seems to be doing something. I actually slept through a night without waking up from shoulder pain. I've only been taking it a few days but I am encouraged. Thanks.

Some people notice an improvement in the first few days and some it takes weeks. I am glad you are feeling a little better and slept through the night. That extra sleep will do your body good. I personally like super cissus because it worked for me alot better than the glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM combo. The latter combo worked but took about 4 weeks for me to start to feel any results.

I mentioned this before in a post I made about a month ago but I swear by Chia Seeds. They are one of the best superfoods known to man. For those that are trying to lose weight or become more healthy you owe it to yourself to at least check it out. Plus, there are no negatives to Chia seeds......only positives. Here is a link to where I posted about it before.
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79350

wingnut4772

How do you use them? Can you mix them in yogurt like I do flax seeds? How is the taste?

BigMac

wingnut4772 wrote: »

How do you use them? Can you mix them in yogurt like I do flax seeds? How is the taste?

You can get them in seed form or powder form. If you eat them plain they have a very slight nutty flavor, and I mean very slight. They take on the flavor of whatever you add them to. I usually put the seed form in my oatmeal in the morning. Since they absorb so much water you have to use 1.5 times the normal amount of water for the same consistency. I also put them on my salads, goes good with marinated grilled chicken or fish. And to answer you other question, yes you could add them to your yogurt. If you like the flax in your yogurt that way, this will be the same. Will not affect taste at all, will affect texture however.

If you get it in powder form you can add it to chili,spaghetti sauce,etc. and you do not even notice a difference in the taste of your food. It blends right in. It also acts as a natural thickener so you will have to add additional liquid to whatever you are making.

wingnut4772

Shoulder is feeling better - I think this Cissus stuff is really helping. I am doing all the therapy too. The last couple of days I mixed in some ibuprofin and combined with the Cissus I think I am on to something....