Bare wire, bananas, or spade termination

quadzilla
quadzilla Posts: 1,543
Hi,

Being very new to HT, I'm trying to understand the best way to terminate cables. I've decided on bluejeans cable with bananas at the receiver end, but what about at the speaker end? I know the speakers I have all support both banana and bare wire, but, for example, can I use spades on a CSi5or is it recommended to go with bare wire at the speaker end?

TIA
Turntable: Empire 208
Arm: Rega 300
Cart: Shelter 501 III
Phono Pre: dsachs consulting
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Pre: Conrad Johnson ET3 SE
Amp: Conrad Johnson Premier 350
Cables: Cardas Neutral Reference
Speakers: SDA 2.3TL, heavily modified
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2009
    Bananas.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,195
    edited March 2009
    'Nanners
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • jacob.simpson
    jacob.simpson Posts: 481
    edited March 2009
    Bananas just to be safe from loose strands getting shorted, other i would prefer just bare wire, i ordered mine from monoprice.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,000
    edited March 2009
    I just dig the guy's name......reminds me of my old 8 track player.
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  • quadzilla
    quadzilla Posts: 1,543
    edited March 2009
    Thanks guys. Bananas all around it is, then. I was actually kind of hoping that'd be the answer, since that makes my life a lot easier.
    Turntable: Empire 208
    Arm: Rega 300
    Cart: Shelter 501 III
    Phono Pre: dsachs consulting
    Digital: Marantz SACD 30n
    Pre: Conrad Johnson ET3 SE
    Amp: Conrad Johnson Premier 350
    Cables: Cardas Neutral Reference
    Speakers: SDA 2.3TL, heavily modified
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2009
    I love banana's. Had spades for many years, but banana's are far more convenient.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • teatouch
    teatouch Posts: 9
    edited March 2009
    Bananas make life easy after you make the wires
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  • flipcap22
    flipcap22 Posts: 22
    edited March 2009
    I used to use bare wires but recently I've been playing around a lot with moving my speakers around so bananas made it more convenient.
  • jacob.simpson
    jacob.simpson Posts: 481
    edited March 2009
    Received Monoprice open screw type bananas, the quality is outstanding, i went to BB to compare them took actually one with me to compare,
    BB is selling them for much higher than MP for the same product.
    I infact ordered 30 pairs incase if i run multiple room speakers.:D
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited March 2009
    Received Monoprice open screw type bananas, the quality is outstanding, i went to BB to compare them took actually one with me to compare,
    BB is selling them for much higher than MP for the same product.
    I infact ordered 30 pairs incase if i run multiple room speakers.:D

    That's what I like to hear!
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited March 2009
    Bananas just to be safe from loose strands getting shorted, other i would prefer just bare wire, i ordered mine from monoprice.

    You can also tin them with silver solder if you want a low cost solution that will keep the strands together and prevent oxidation.
  • MLZ
    MLZ Posts: 214
    edited March 2009
    I like spades at the speakers (less stress on the binding posts, sturdy connection that won't pull out - though locking bananas also work) and locking bananas at the amplifier (our cleaning service moved the amp and one plug came undone) as spades are difficult to get on the amps binding posts.
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    Depends on what you want from a "perfect" sound perspective. Every connection has the potential to add distortion. Bare wire eliminates one (unnecessaryh) connection. If you do use bare wire be sure to wrap it clockwise around the post. This way it will increase its connnection as the binding is tightened. Wrapping it counter-clockwise makes it very easy to accidentally loosen the connecton while tightening the binding. The end result being less than perfect sound from the system.
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited March 2009
    I agree with Bluefox that each connection is a potential failure point and I use bare wire twisted as he describes to lessen that reality. I don't move my speakers around often, so the convenience of bananna plugs didn't really matter much. A loose wire shorting a terminal is a much bigger risk though with naked wire connections and nanners are pretty foolproof from shorting if the speaker or amp accidentally gets pulled away from its connection. They also look nicer!

    Like any mechanical connection, get good quality ones if you go that route. The pro electronic techicians I used to work with not only got top shelf stuff, they "religously" soldered a plug's internal connections if possible. Doing prevented crimp or other friction type connections inside the plug from working loose over time.
  • arkaig1
    arkaig1 Posts: 45
    edited March 2009
    Re bananas vs. open wire, my 15 month old child, after 4 months being oblivious, and us carefully hiding 95% of the wire, has discovered the only 3 inches of the wire we could not hide. That is where it connects to my left tower. There is slack, but I'm curious: would open wire survive a minor tug/pull better than banana clips, or vice versa? Opinions? Horror stories? Success stories?
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    Go bananas it doesn't matter.
  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,781
    edited March 2009
    arkaig1 wrote: »
    Re bananas vs. open wire, my 15 month old child, after 4 months being oblivious, and us carefully hiding 95% of the wire, has discovered the only 3 inches of the wire we could not hide. That is where it connects to my left tower. There is slack, but I'm curious: would open wire survive a minor tug/pull better than banana clips, or vice versa? Opinions? Horror stories? Success stories?

    If your child tugs on bananas, they will come out, or maybe break if pulled sideways. That's a good thing, much better than the tower being pulled over on top of him.
  • arkaig1
    arkaig1 Posts: 45
    edited March 2009
    I knew I'd be going bananas eventually. Right now we're working on an "all no-cords" (lamps are the more common worry, also clocks) no-no campaign, but the entertainment unit is in the double-room in which we leave him longest beyond our reach.

    Thanks folks! Bananas it is!
  • DV1
    DV1 Posts: 30
    edited April 2009
    Holly Banana!!! :)