Periphery Ring Clamp?

SolidSqual
SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
edited March 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
Anyone use a Periphery Ring Clamp? What brand? The only models I can find cost an arm and a leg made by VPI and Clearaudio.

Thanks,

Mike
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited March 2009
    I'll be watching this thread like a hawk. I want one as well.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    I hope someone has some answers.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2009
    A little double-sided carpet tape and my albums are clamped down tight to the platter!
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited March 2009
    SS, I am actually getting the ball rolling on having one made for me custom. That way it will be to my spec's and I have learned that the tolerances can be within 2 thousandths of an inch without the cost being astronomical. I have a couple of bud's in the field that are willing to help but the main brick wall I'm encountering is being able to find a lathe big enough to cut the diameter.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2009
    Here ya go;

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79758


    To be honest with you, I am afraid of those things. I can see it tearing my stylus right out of the cartridge.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »
    SS, I am actually getting the ball rolling on having one made for me custom. That way it will be to my spec's and I have learned that the tolerances can be within 2 thousandths of an inch without the cost being astronomical. I have a couple of bud's in the field that are willing to help but the main brick wall I'm encountering is being able to find a lathe big enough to cut the diameter.

    I used to date a girl whose father had a machine capable of cutting anything out of a block of metal. I've been thinking of contacting him to see what he may offer as well.

    Is there anyway I could get in on that custom job you are doing? Perhaps help decrease the costs?
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited March 2009
    You might check this old thread out at . . .

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79758

    I also want to add that I just purchased The Clamp from Joe (hearingimpared) and am ASTOUNDED (as many before me have been) by both the sonic improvements, and flattening ability of this product.

    I had an RMA prepared to send 4 badly warped LP's had I had just received from JR Music back to them the day The Clamp arrived here. I actually un-packaged them to experiment and see what would happen if I applied The Clamp to them. With a 3 mm shim, The Clamp FLATTENED them out to perfection!
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Here ya go;

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79758


    To be honest with you, I am afraid of those things. I can see it tearing my stylus right out of the cartridge.

    Thanks for this link. I was going to upgrade my spindle clamp as well. Do you happen to know if the Clearaudio Twister Clamp will fit my RM5-SE?

    http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=36249
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited March 2009
    I guess I was posting at the same time as Joe, sorry for the redundancy.

    The point is, I think a center clamp is the way to go, and even the best are less money than the periphery models. Also, I notice most periphery models say you will either love it or hate it.

    Not so with The Clamp. You WILL love it, period!
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    What I can't do both?
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited March 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Is there anyway I could get in on that custom job you are doing? Perhaps help decrease the costs?
    Please contact your friend's father and yes, I would have no problem having you in. I'm extremely busy right now [good thing] so I hope that you are not in a hurry.

    What kind of TT do you have?

    IS, I have Joe's clamp and yes, it's the bomb and more but it won't do the same thing as completely coupling your LP to the platter. Think of it as adding perfection to perfection. ;)
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    What I can't do both?

    You can. . . . and yes the Clearaudio clamp will work on your RM5-SE.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue20/ursrclamp.htm

    Universal Record Stabilization Ring . . .

    . . . I'm finding other brands.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited March 2009
    SS, from what I have researched that will introduce resonance something hardcore. Brass from what I have learned is one of the best cost/performance ratio, if not the best material to use.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »
    SS, from what I have researched that will introduce resonance something hardcore. Brass from what I have learned is one of the best cost/performance ratio, if not the best material to use.

    Ugh, that sucks. There is no way I am shelling out $600 for a VPI clamp. If I can't find something, I'll just hold off, buy a good center clamp and put the money towards buying a wicked bad turntable down the road. Most of my records are new so warping is not a big issue.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited March 2009
    Look on the other thread linked to see the clamp Joe mentioned or if all of the planets and stars align maybe you can get a hold of one of "his" clamps. I have just a modest, if not low line MMF-5 with the standard cart. and the difference between an LP without "The clamp" and with is like I just upgraded my TT upwards of thousands of $$$. Too much sound improvement to describe tonight with absolutely no drawbacks. Well worth the money spent. Every penny.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited March 2009
    I've been thinking about trying Audiogon member Ttweights. This is a lighter version http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/auc.pl?accstwek&1238032213

    The other one is ~ 1.5 pounds IIRC. It was priced the same.


    Some discussion on it.

    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1236745662
    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1235062705&openfrom&1&4#1

    A youtube video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnzDGGAmtDo
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  • jm1
    jm1 Posts: 618
    edited March 2009
    I inquired about getting the URSR and never heard back from the manufacturer. You can try if you like.

    Yes you would use both the center clamp and the ring clamp. The center needs to be coupled to the platter either by a weight or a center clamp WITHOUT the washer.

    I wouldn't suggest the VPI ring as your platter is not 12.25" diameter. This ring is designed for a platter that diameter as it centers on the platter edge. If your platter was 12.25", there would be no issues using this ring clamp.

    You could try to have one made, but you would be experimenting. If the first one doesn't work out, how much will it cost for the second one to be made?

    Your best bet is to see if you can get a money back guarantee from the Agon seller and test one on your TT. The lighter one linked looks like its $329 regular price.

    Make sure you have the clearance between the edge of the ring and your tonearm.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2009
    SS,

    I thought you had more or less gotten over the cost of things, so I am not sure about your original post........

    RT1
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    SS,

    I thought you had more or less gotten over the cost of things, so I am not sure about your original post........

    RT1


    Don't know what gave you that idea?? It's not so much the money as the VPI and Clearaudio rings are the cost of a new cartridge or phono pre (arguably better upgrades).

    On another note, check out this link: http://www.ttweights.com/Periphery.html

    I think I may give this guy a shot.
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  • jm1
    jm1 Posts: 618
    edited March 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Don't know what gave you that idea?? It's not so much the money as the VPI and Clearaudio rings are the cost of a new cartridge or phono pre (arguably better upgrades).

    On another note, check out this link: http://www.ttweights.com/Periphery.html

    I think I may give this guy a shot.

    Ahhh, that's the manufacturer's website who is referenced in all the Agon links in the two threads.

    His retail price on the website is less than the new retail he quotes on the Agon ads. He also lists on Canuckaudiomart for the same price which is supposed to be CDN. Respond to his ad there to see if you can get it for CDN.


    FYI: Also make sure your external belt clears the ring when its placed over the LP.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    He's given me 25% off the stated price for the TT center weight. And he guarantees that the ring clamp he recommended will work on my TT. I'm paying with CC to cover my ****.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Don't know what gave you that idea?? It's not so much the money as the VPI and Clearaudio rings are the cost of a new cartridge or phono pre (arguably better upgrades).

    ahhh...OK with that added thought I see, well, looking forward to your impressions of the ring. I would get the cartridge next then.

    RT1
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    Hi Mike,

    The 600 Gram Outer Lists for $ 299.0 USF (Includes the TTConcentricity Disk)
    The TTMiddleWeight Lists for $ 64.99 USF
    Shipping/Wood Crate/ UPS Quantum View 3 days $ 35.00

    Total $ 398.99

    Took 25% of Middle Weight and knocked $ 20.00 off the Outer Ring

    With Special Discounts $ 365.99

    All purchases come with a 100% money back guarantee if not happy...


    Cheers,



    Thank you, have a good day.

    Best Regards,

    Larry Denham
    LJT Manufacturing
    larryd@ljtmfg.com
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited March 2009
    ....if you want to try out a clamp before you take the plunge. Here is one I made in 15 minutes from things I found in my house. It actually works. It will take the warp out of records. Nothing like the big boys but cost $0.00 to make.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59078
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited March 2009
    ....By the WAY !!!! ...if nothing ELSE....if you have an OLD TT. Use the above method clamp for cleaning records with a spray lp cleaner. Keeps the cleaner off the label.
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