Price on Jolidia JD-100A

bobt
bobt Posts: 280
edited June 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
I just got a price from New Tube for the CDP...$789 with free shipping and full warrenty. This took a week of bargining with them..LOL

I have found a used one, 3plus years old, if not more, that supposedly has the "mod" done to it, that maybe i could get for $600. plus shipping.

But I tend to stay away form equipment that has had "mods" done to it.
Or used CD players in general. As I don't really know the age. At least at that price.

I figure at the New tube price, plus $20 some odd bucks for some Sovtek's plus maybe $100 for a new power cable. I have a full warrentied CDP.

Has anybody found a better price from a "REAL" USA Jolidia dealer?
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited March 2009
    What level of mod? By whom? You could be missing out on something very good. Keep an open mind.

    Mike
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    You could also be getting a real headache.. Some so could modders don't know crap. I have one that is two years old and never modded. It sounds better than some of the modded ones I heard, all I did was switch tubes. Some of the modded ones that are done right, by a legit modder on the other hand are probably worth it. Moral of the story is be carefull, and try to here them first. I love mine but I also have it listed for sale on Pittsburgh CL. For $525.00 and no one in Pitt. is smart enough to buy it. There are few audiophile's around here.
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  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited March 2009
    Weren't they going for 5 or 6 hundred new a little while ago?
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    That was the older model being cleared out, The JD-100 A model has much better build quality, newer d/a converter and some other crap I cant remember right now.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Well he says level 1 mod, no name given. No mention of an upgraded power cable, which this unit needs, and probably makes a bigger difference then the few caps and resistors replaced. Plus new tubes which cost maybe 30 bucks.

    Not that i have anything against used equipment..but used CDP...thats somewere from 3-5 years old...at 600+...just dosen't thrill me.
    A used power amp or preamp....fine NO moving parts...LOL

    That's probably all me....I just get leary about used cd players.....
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Thats the other problem, how do you tell a JD-100 from a 100A....dose not say
    100A on the front of the unit. Or at least this one dose not.....
    There is supposed to be a big difference between the two......so if your looking at a 3-5 year old unit..how do you really know what it is?
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    The newer ones come in a really cool blue and white box.. The newer ones use a Phillips cdm-12 transport, i think.. The new ones use burr-brown D/A converters, There is also different brand name caps..
    And I think some other differences but I sure dont what they are..
    They are not marked 100A.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    yeap.....so how do you know what your really getting , buying used???

    Big difference between the 100 and 100A......why they didn't put an A on the unit..I have no clue. So when the guy says it's around,maybe 3 1/2 years old which could be up to 5....what are you really getting???????
    An old transport and an out dated converter...soo...$600 plus for "maybe" an outdated unit....with an upgrade......just dosen't sit well with me.

    In this case, buying new, may be a better option.....just do your own tube upgrades, and get a better PS cable.......
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    Or if you have the original dated receipt. I always try to buy new, that way you know what you are getting. The new ones are $950.00 from a authorized dealer on sale. Jolida will not honor warranty, if purchased from unauthorized dealer.
    I dont even know if I can find the receipt for mine, I just know my wife bought it for birthday, Feb. 2007
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    That's the other problem with this unit. There are people selling the 'China" unit for USA units, which have no warrenty..at least here in the US.
    It gets very convoluted, with this stuff....you have to watch who your buying from..and what you are really getting. Plus this stuff is different build quality..at least from what I have heard.
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    Here are some pics, the ones with the black insulating material are mine,and that is stock, the only "mod" is the Sovtek tubes. The silver inside is a pic I got off the net.
    Also my owners manual say's JD-100A for whatever thats worth...
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Well thanks for the pics. Very interesting they have a grnd connection on this.

    What do they expect you to hook this too?..your preamp ground for your TT????

    If you have a good 3 prong PS cable on it...WHY would you need a grnd connection?

    In some cases i would think this would cause a ground loop.......????

    Just never seen this before...or what they what you to connect it to?
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    The manual says if you have a ground hum, connect to amp ground to eliminate the hum.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited March 2009
    Big difference between the 100 and 100A

    There is no difference, they are the exact same model and the only "100" CDP Joilda has ever made. Let me clarify, no matter if someone calls it the 100 or 100A, it is the same exact CDP.
    That's the other problem with this unit. There are people selling the 'China" unit for USA units,

    There are no "China" units. Whomever told you that doesn't have a clue.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    OK..that's strange.. in the old days ( of 2 pronge stereo) you would reverce the prongs in the outlet. Dosen't make sence with a grounded unit, per say....but...what ever...LOL
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited March 2009
    hifiaudio, please stop trying to push your player. We have strict rules for selling here, please review them.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Well NO..thats not correct, cause i've seen units reiviewd with NOT the same
    DA converters...NOT the Burr-brown.......and they make the same "type" unit for China under another name..which dose not have the same stuff in it. Plus people are trying to sell these as USA which only means you get a warrenty. Which you really don't.

    So yes..there is a difference ..........
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    Dearest f1, My player is not for sale on here... I am not trying to sale it on here.. As I do NOT ship anything I sale.
    I am simply talking with bobt about the silliness of the jd-100a not 100a or whatever, I did not attempt to sale to anybody on here.
    I know you are one of long timers on here and I am not trying to disrespect you. But please tell me where I tried to sale my cd player on here.... I did not post links..simply mentioned that I owned one and was selling it.. no more than that.
    Also I was told by the dealer this was purchased from that the early Jd-100 had Phillips D/A converters, and other differences.
    Kindest Regards..
    Mike
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited March 2009
    I don't know I can convey to you in more absolute terms. The JD100(A) made today is the exact same JD100(A) that they first came out with. Jolida made a CDP previous to the JD100(A), but that was a long time ago and carried a different model number.
    they make the same "type" unit for China under another name..which dose not have the same stuff in it.

    That unit is made by the company that assembles the Jolida CDP's, but as you noted, it is not the same inside, carries a different name and is not sold by Jolida. I fail to see the confusion or the problem.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited March 2009
    Very good Mike, we'll move on.
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    Yes lets move on.
    I found this link which clearly states Philips 24/96 D/A converter
    http://www.responseaudio.com/jolida%20sources.htm
    Mine has 24/96 Burr Brown D/A converter
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited March 2009
    They are mistaken. It's always used the Burr Brown DAC.

    Feel free to check with Michael Allen, the owner of Jolida.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Well..Stereophile....reviewed the "JD-100"....listed it as the Philips coverter.
    I read the dam review........now if your going to say they were wrong....
    The JD-100A....say's it has the Burr-brown........so there wrong????????
    NOT the right JD number????????
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    So what your saying is the people who were selling it...JD-100...not the A
    and Stereophile mag are completely WRONG.....it always had the Burr-brown dac??????????

    So they got completely WRONG info...to sell it or review it??????
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    One more and I am done, I do not want to argue with anyone. The point is there IS a lot of misinformation regarding this cd player. Another link to a different review.
    http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/jolida-jd100_e.html
    Please read that review. Also observe the pic and compare to mine. Mine are posted in post number 12
    So the point is there is a variety of bad info out there on internet land..
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Hi FI..I have to agree with you...100%......every review, and I read that one....said a different DAC.

    So every Mag, and every dealer...must be WRONG on the JD-100(dosen't say to much about the people that are sending them this....if they can't get it right!)

    Then the JD-100....and the JD-100A...well they must be the same..except for the fact they use the Burr-brown...LMAO
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited March 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    So what your saying is the people who were selling it...JD-100...not the A
    and Stereophile mag are completely WRONG.....it always had the Burr-brown dac??????????

    So they got completely WRONG info...to sell it or review it??????

    Again, there is no difference regardless if it's called the JD100 or JD100A. If you read the link Mike posted, you'll see it's from 2002 when they first came out and it's called the JD100A. If you look at the Jolida site today it says,

    "Model JD 100A: Compact Disc Player

    Construction Details and Features:

    Gain stage utilizing two 12AX7A vacuum tubes. Unit does not utilize op-amps.
    Two transformers.
    24/96 Burr Brown DAC.
    Phillips CDM 12 Transport System.
    Programmable for up to twenty-four tracks.
    Full - function random access metal remote control with search function.
    Track repeat and index of track search function.
    Variable Headphone output."


    I did note in the TNT link that they say, "it shuns the expected Burr-Brown D/A converters in favor of Philips chips." However, Jolida has always listed the DAC as being Burr brown on their site. I'll ask Michael Allen to clarify the next time I talk with him. Regardless, I feel that whether one were to purchase a 2002 year model or a brand new 2009 model, it will be the same and sound the same.
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    Yeah bobt this apparently a ton of misinformation on this unit.
    However mine does indeed sound fantastic, I have heard $1,500.00 players that dont sound as good as mine, And all I did was Sovtek 12ax7lps tubes that cost $9.95 each with free shipping from some place in CA.
    So I guess everyone who reviewed these got a differently made unit....
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Well..today is NOT 2002.....and dose not have the Brurr-brown. so the unit..is very year dependent. And what they may have called and A. May not have a Brurr-brown at all.......
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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    Hey F1, I would be very interested to hear what Michael Allen say's. I f you do get a chance to ask him please post it.
    I agree any of them would sound great, unless they were modded by an idiot who does not know what he is doing. I had a friend buy one new and tried to mod it, BIG mistake as he was a total amateur. And as stated earlier in this thread mods can be great, or bad. Kindest regards to all.
    Mike
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