4 sl2000 tweeters!!!

nooshinjohn
nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
edited March 2009 in For Sale (FS) Classifieds
I have 4 matching sl2000 tweeters that just came out of my SDA-1c's after swapping to rdo-194's. All 4 function perfectly, but do have a couple wrinkles on the domes. Overall they are in real nice shape for a 21 year old tweeter.
price is negotiable somewhat but would like to get 50.00 for all four plus shipping:cool:
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited March 2009
    Hey how was the difference? night and day? How do you like the new ones?

    Good price for the tweeters!!
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    not 100% sold yet... I seem to be missing some of the detail on the high side. Female vocals are much better but cymbal taps and soft high end percussion is almost gone. I have had them running constantly now since I did the swap, but guess it takes 250/500hrs to break in the new tweets. Does anybody know if the crossover upgrade helps in this regard?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited March 2009
    John, Time to change the amps or the pre amp. I know Carver TFM 35 is very nice but the input caps needs to be replaced if you are missing details.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2009
    The x-over upgrade helps everything alot and thats not an exaggeration.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    not 100% sold yet... I seem to be missing some of the detail on the high side. Female vocals are much better but cymbal taps and soft high end percussion is almost gone. I have had them running constantly now since I did the swap, but guess it takes 250/500hrs to break in the new tweets. Does anybody know if the crossover upgrade helps in this regard?

    I noticed the same thing but what I find is the recording makes all the difference.

    They do get better with burn in but not dramatic. I have not performed XO upgrade, using Carver TFM-45 AMP and AQ Type 4 speaker cables.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    megasat16 wrote: »
    John, Time to change the amps or the pre amp. I know Carver TFM 35 is very nice but the input caps needs to be replaced if you are missing details.

    before I did the swap, I hand no trouble with the details I mentioned in my comments. after the swap they are gone almost completely. I have triple checked all wiring and they are correct. You say that now my amp is the problem? how so if all I did was a tweeter swap?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    thsmith wrote: »
    I noticed the same thing but what I find is the recording makes all the difference.

    They do get better with burn in but not dramatic. I have not performed XO upgrade, using Carver TFM-45 AMP and AQ Type 4 speaker cables.

    as far as recordings go, I have the same disc loaded in my cd player including a reference disc from alpine/telarc... I have a jazz disc, country, soft rock, and classical playing in rotation during the burn in period. comparing song for song, regardless of disc quality of genre, the cymbals and highs of this type are gone...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited March 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    before I did the swap, I hand no trouble with the details I mentioned in my comments. after the swap they are gone almost completely. I have triple checked all wiring and they are correct. You say that now my amp is the problem? how so if all I did was a tweeter swap?

    Things are not always the same when you swapped components. The new tweeter might be more laid out and not bright as the old ones or not broken in yet. But considering the age of TFM35, it's time to send it back to Bob's Shop for overhaul if you are missing details.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    what about running one sl2000 and an rdo-194 in each?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited March 2009
    Break-in is key with the RDOs as stated before. And I wouldn't do one of each as the two tweeters voice a little different.
    Jake
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited March 2009
    +1 to what Zingo said. Not such a good idea to use different tweeter in the mix as SDA effects might have a negative impact.

    Besides, the bright tweeter will always overwhelm the more laid back one and you'll mess up the tonal quality of music more or less. When the RDOs are properly broken in (about 100 hours playing loud) and you still feel like you like the brighter SL2000 better, switch back to all SL2000.

    Or get a different amp and pre or just get your amp overhaul at Bob's Shop.
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited March 2009
    I would hang on the the 2000 tweeters just incase you want to go back to them.

    I say give it some time.

    The 2000 are bright that is for sure. In the 1.2 at high volume it is fatiguing to me. I know that is not everyones opinion or taste either. A few of my friends that heard them love the more "in your face" type sound.

    It almost sounds like ou are saying other ones are way more laid back? Smoother but some of the sizzel is gone? Or just sound completely missing? Or just not as in your face so to speak?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    they are great for jazz,classical and easy listening types of music, but so far not the hard driving rock that I have been listening to lately. Cymbal crashes are almost dead. high hat and cymbal taps are gone or sunk so far into backround that they become disconnected from the drummer thats playing them...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    I have had them cranking full tilt now for about 10 hrs....
    They are starting to open up a bit now. I have had them playing intense rock with all kinds of cymbal action... My neighbors are a bit miffed to say the least but oh well:p I am going to do the cross-overs next:D now if somebody would just buy my x-box http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79236 then I could by that 5ch Rotel I have had my eye on.... http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79015
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • bill00500
    bill00500 Posts: 12
    edited March 2009
    still available?..How much to ship to Milw,Wisc 53216?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    what about running one sl2000 and an rdo-194 in each?

    YUCK---do the x-over upgrade and all will be back to normal. If anything the rdo's improved the type of detail you are talking about missing since your swap.............and they do take quite a bit of time to burn in.

    Another basic problem is the sl2000's seem to have peak at those frequencies and made those types of details very, very prominent. When in actuallity they weren't that prominent on the original recording.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    they are great for jazz,classical and easy listening types of music, but so far not the hard driving rock that I have been listening to lately. Cymbal crashes are almost dead. high hat and cymbal taps are gone or sunk so far into backround that they become disconnected from the drummer thats playing them...

    I've found that to be in the recordings. Very little if any modern hard driving rock music is recorded very well (mostly just jumbled instruments with very compressed dynamics). Again, before your swap the sl2000's were over-emphasizing these types of recordings.

    The fact that better recorded music (jazz, classical, easy listening) sounds so much better means the sl2000 were at fault.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • CLPolk
    CLPolk Posts: 133
    edited March 2009
    Sorry Bill I bought them a few days ago.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    and they do take quite a bit of time to burn in.


    H9

    I installed the RDO194s back in November and they are just now starting to sound better. They were an improvement over the SL2000s but not that much until recently.

    I estimate they have about 500 hours on them.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    CLPolk wrote: »
    Sorry Bill I bought them a few days ago.


    they are on their way:D... let me know when they get there. how do I mark this sold?:confused:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited March 2009
    sold
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • CLPolk
    CLPolk Posts: 133
    edited March 2009
    Came today!! Thanks! I'm not sure how to leave feedback!
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    • Monitor 7B
    • CS350lsi
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    • FX500i
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