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That cop should be fired very quickly. Let him bag groceries at the supermarket, which is about all he deserves. What a piece of dogshit.2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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I think nearly all **** need one slap, and then they know who is boss. From there they can move on:eek:
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You know, I think you tough talking cowardly **** are just as bad as that demented cop. All they had to do was close the door. That you think what they did was justifiable in ANY way makes me think you wouldn't hesitate to do something like that as well to some woman in your lives.
How totally pathetic, and I hope you get the same kind of treatment that girl got.
Whatever she did it is up to a judge & jury to mete out not some powertripping cops!Well first off, the second cop didn't raise a finger, so don't lump all cops into the same boat. The other should be fired, no doubt and probably charges pressed for brutality. That said, little smart **** girls could always be the worst, and you always just want to smack them around. However... the badge should keep you under control and if it doesn't, you shouldn't be wearing it!
I was fine with it until he struck her twice then pulled her up by the hair... Was it rough? Obviously. But sometimes rough is ok. Did he cross the line with strikes? No doubt.exalted512 wrote: »She stole a car. They only did what her parents shouldve done a long time ago.
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That you would even consider typing these words is sad........that you actually did and then decided to post it shows your complete lack of mental activity. I can't say that I expect you to do anything other than what's most ignorant, but maybe you don't hear it enough that you need to grow the hell up.I think nearly all **** need one slap, and then they know who is boss. From there they can move on:eek:
I think you owe the forum an apology........if for no other reason than having to be a witness to you being a complete ****.comment comment comment comment. bitchy. -
I have only seen the video and don't know anything else.
I agree that a bit of rough treatment would have been one thing, but that was just plain wrong and showed a lack of self controll by one of the officers.
having said that. I dont have a job where any person at any time just might kill me. I don't have a job where I am publicly criticized, and have to take coments like - most cops are corrupt. I don't have a job where I have to handle nutjobs all day.pop
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As Snow pointed out, that officer was in charge of her safety and care once he arrested her. Period.
He, IMO, probably could use counseling.
And, just as importantly, he missed an opportunity to provide counseling to the 15 year old girl he was in charge of.
Was she spitting/cursing/ at him off camera ? Was she attempting to bite him ?
I don't know. Let's assume she was.
Does he not know that this is not normal or acceptable behavior from a 15 year old girl, as is stealing a car ?
What would possess this child to do this ? Did he ask himself this ?
What she on drugs ? Was she drunk ? What was her family background ? Was she a runaway ? Was she sexually abused at home/school/? ?
Missed opportunity. Strictly non-professional on his part.
Consider this scenario: instead of a 100 pound, 15 year old girl, there was a 325 pound, prison-pumped thug in that cell. If that thug had abused the cop for hours prior to reaching that cell, then that thug had kicked his size 14 shoe at the cop, WOULD THE COP HAVE CHARGED IN THAT CELL BY HIMSELF AND ISSUED AN **** WHOOPING ?
The answer is, IMO, absolutely not and that says it all.
No, this cop wasn't going to let some FEMALE challenge his authority/manhood and get away with it !
Now, if it was a MALE who could kick his arse into the middle of next week, why all of a sudden, he would have remembered departmental rules and police guidelines on handling prisoners.Sal Palooza -
mrbigbluelight wrote: »Consider this scenario: instead of a 100 pound, 15 year old girl, there was a 325 pound, prison-pumped thug in that cell. If that thug had abused the cop for hours prior to reaching that cell, then that thug had kicked his size 14 shoe at the cop, WOULD THE COP HAVE CHARGED IN THAT CELL BY HIMSELF AND ISSUED AN **** WHOOPING ?
The answer is, IMO, absolutely not and that says it all.
No, this cop wasn't going to let some FEMALE challenge his authority/manhood and get away with it !
Now, if it was a MALE who could kick his arse into the middle of next week, why all of a sudden, he would have remembered departmental rules and police guidelines on handling prisoners.
Exactly....he finally had a one on one encounter during his shift that he figured he could come out on top of without getting his **** kicked if he took it past what was accepted depatmental procedure.
If off duty out on the street......all of the others he booked that day he wouldnt have made eye contact with, much less try and grab their hair.The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
mrbigbluelight wrote: »As Snow pointed out, that officer was in charge of her safety and care once he arrested her. Period.
He, IMO, probably could use counseling.
And, just as importantly, he missed an opportunity to provide counseling to the 15 year old girl he was in charge of.
Was she spitting/cursing/ at him off camera ? Was she attempting to bite him ?
I don't know. Let's assume she was.
Does he not know that this is not normal or acceptable behavior from a 15 year old girl, as is stealing a car ?
What would possess this child to do this ? Did he ask himself this ?
What she on drugs ? Was she drunk ? What was her family background ? Was she a runaway ? Was she sexually abused at home/school/? ?
Missed opportunity. Strictly non-professional on his part.
Consider this scenario: instead of a 100 pound, 15 year old girl, there was a 325 pound, prison-pumped thug in that cell. If that thug had abused the cop for hours prior to reaching that cell, then that thug had kicked his size 14 shoe at the cop, WOULD THE COP HAVE CHARGED IN THAT CELL BY HIMSELF AND ISSUED AN **** WHOOPING ?
The answer is, IMO, absolutely not and that says it all.
No, this cop wasn't going to let some FEMALE challenge his authority/manhood and get away with it !
Now, if it was a MALE who could kick his arse into the middle of next week, why all of a sudden, he would have remembered departmental rules and police guidelines on handling prisoners.
All good points.
In fact, I would take it one step farther to consider the long term ramifications. After that kind of treatment, how much of a chance do you think there is that she's going to develop some modicum of respect for the law and the authorities who represent the law, in the future? If that incident does not leave her with perpetual resentment, I don't know what would.
Second, as for the comment that her parents should have inflicted this sort of treatment upon her in the first place, I think thats nonsense. I'd turn it around to say -- that ultimately there's a much greater likelihood that that is part of the problem -- its origin -- than its solution. I'm not a parent yet, but I can't imagine any circumstance where throwing a daughter up against a wall, delivering two quick "rabbit" punches to the head and pulling her up by the hair would be conscionable, no matter how much of a "problem child" she was.
There are way more effective ways to instill discipline.
Of course cops are humans, not robots. But this guy obviously reached his breaking point and, as far as I'm concerned, he's not worthy of wearing the badge.2 Ch.
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That you would even consider typing these words is sad........that you actually did and then decided to post it shows your complete lack of mental activity. I can't say that I expect you to do anything other than what's most ignorant, but maybe you don't hear it enough that you need to grow the hell up.
I think you owe the forum an apology........if for no other reason than having to be a witness to you being a complete ****.
You're over-reacting as bad as the cop. You'd literally explode at a Lisa Lampanelli show.....
Pretty clear to most that it was a joke. Bad taste? sure, but those are the funny ones.:D -
Agreed on every point here. She obviously was acting in a defiant manner but not really a violent one. If she had taken a swing at him then yes she was acting in a harmful way. These rubber sandals basically is what they are, are designed so that prisoners cant hurt themselves or other prisoners or guards. If you were to take one and whack someone on the head with one full force at close range you wouldndt even cause them to have a headacheNorm Apter wrote: »All good points.
In fact, I would take it one step farther to consider the long term ramifications. After that kind of treatment, how much of a chance do you think there is that she's going to develop some modicum of respect for the law and the authorities who represent the law, in the future? If that incident does not leave her with perpetual resentment, I don't know what would.
Second, as for the comment that her parents should have inflicted this sort of treatment upon her in the first place, I think thats nonsense. I'd turn it around to say -- that ultimately there's a much greater likelihood that that is part of the problem -- its origin -- than its solution. I'm not a parent yet, but I can't imagine any circumstance where throwing a daughter up against a wall, delivering two quick "rabbit" punches to the head and pulling her up by the hair would be conscionable, no matter how much of a "problem child" she was.
There are way more effective ways to instill discipline.
Of course cops are humans, not robots. But this guy obviously reached his breaking point and, as far as I'm concerned, he's not worthy of wearing the badge.
let alone the supposed injury and pain to the shin area the officer complained about after it had been kicked off her foot at him :rolleyes:.
If you play this in slow motion you can see him deliver a kick with his right foot as he goes into the cell grabs her by her arm throws her into the wall then grabs her hair and slings her to the floor, after she is on the floor and the other officer has her one arm he delivers 2 quick punches to the back of the head then handcuffs her and pulls her up off the floor with both hands by her hair again obviously trying to inflict as much pain as possible.
Way too much force for what took place. If he had sprayed a little pepper spray in her general area she would be crying instantly and would think twice about doing anything like this ever again and without any injury to either party. It stings like hell but has no long lasting effects.
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It's really sad how some of you are so uptight and can't realize a joke when you see one, get over it and move on, it's not the end of the world. :rolleyes:
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It's really sad how some of you are so uptight and can't realize a joke when you see one, get over it and move on, it's not the end of the world. :rolleyes:
Just a little clarification, my post above was not in reference to post #32 (Ben's) but, in part, to what was conveyed in post #28 which, as far as I can tell, was NOT intended to be humorous.2 Ch.
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There are more corrupt cops than good ones. I teach my family never to trust the police- and that is speaking from experience.
I think that's a bit over the top man. While I agree that there are some corrupt cops out there, it's not by any means the majority. There are a lot of cops that genuinely just enjoy being cops for the whole "to protect and serve" concept. Sure, there are plenty of cops that love being a cop because of the power and authority as well, but I don't think it's by any means the majority.
Never trust the police? I think that's a bit over the top too...There are a lot of situations where cops are a great thing to have around. If I hear my next door neighbor getting murdered, you're damn right I'm going to call the cops.
I don't have anything against cops. There are certain laws they enforce that I don't necessarily agree with, but there are plenty of cops that don't want to enforce those laws as well. It just comes with the territory though.mrbigbluelight wrote: »As Snow pointed out, that officer was in charge of her safety and care once he arrested her. Period.
He, IMO, probably could use counseling.
And, just as importantly, he missed an opportunity to provide counseling to the 15 year old girl he was in charge of.
Was she spitting/cursing/ at him off camera ? Was she attempting to bite him ?
I don't know. Let's assume she was.
Does he not know that this is not normal or acceptable behavior from a 15 year old girl, as is stealing a car ?
What would possess this child to do this ? Did he ask himself this ?
What she on drugs ? Was she drunk ? What was her family background ? Was she a runaway ? Was she sexually abused at home/school/? ?
Missed opportunity. Strictly non-professional on his part.
Consider this scenario: instead of a 100 pound, 15 year old girl, there was a 325 pound, prison-pumped thug in that cell. If that thug had abused the cop for hours prior to reaching that cell, then that thug had kicked his size 14 shoe at the cop, WOULD THE COP HAVE CHARGED IN THAT CELL BY HIMSELF AND ISSUED AN **** WHOOPING ?
The answer is, IMO, absolutely not and that says it all.
No, this cop wasn't going to let some FEMALE challenge his authority/manhood and get away with it !
Now, if it was a MALE who could kick his arse into the middle of next week, why all of a sudden, he would have remembered departmental rules and police guidelines on handling prisoners.
Agreed completely. This was definitely a case of "cop on a power trip". He saw an opportunity to exercise his authority and he took it. That was completely unnecessary. Granted we don't know the back story entirely, but how much pain could that flip flop have caused him? That was a case of excessive force for sure. There was absolutely no need to go pushing her down into a corner, and punch her a few times, then pull her up by her hair. Completely ridiculous.Norm Apter wrote: »All good points.
In fact, I would take it one step farther to consider the long term ramifications. After that kind of treatment, how much of a chance do you think there is that she's going to develop some modicum of respect for the law and the authorities who represent the law, in the future? If that incident does not leave her with perpetual resentment, I don't know what would.
Second, as for the comment that her parents should have inflicted this sort of treatment upon her in the first place, I think thats nonsense. I'd turn it around to say -- that ultimately there's a much greater likelihood that that is part of the problem -- its origin -- than its solution. I'm not a parent yet, but I can't imagine any circumstance where throwing a daughter up against a wall, delivering two quick "rabbit" punches to the head and pulling her up by the hair would be conscionable, no matter how much of a "problem child" she was.
There are way more effective ways to instill discipline.
Of course cops are humans, not robots. But this guy obviously reached his breaking point and, as far as I'm concerned, he's not worthy of wearing the badge.
That's another very good point. That experience is most likely going to make her behavior worse. That gave her a lot of reason to despise authority. She obviously already had some behavioral issues, but that isn't the way to deal with them. Whatever happened to "officer friendly"?
I hope that cop is getting what he's got coming. I'm sure he'll manage to weasel his way out of it somehow though.
I don't have any kids(and don't plan to for quite some time...lol), but if I did, and a cop did that to my kid, I'd be spending some time in a prison cell for beating the hell out of him. That's completely unwarranted.The nirvana inducer-
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Did you see that dude! He could be in M.M.A. the way he handled her.:rolleyes:
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that cop effed up big time. there is no argument for that at all. I will refute those that think it is power tripping....it isnt. Its flat out frustration most likely. Unless you were a cop you'll never fully understand it. I wasnt a cop, yet saw alot of police activity on the ambulance, and even I dont know it fully
that said, should the cop be fired. yes, he seriously crossed a line and even the most ardent police supporter would be hard pressed to defend his actions on any level.
that said, do I place some blame on the girl? yep.
violence is always a 2 way street. In this case I really do not feel sorry for the girl. I know I will catch hell for that, but it's true. My Dad taught me a very simple concept tht helps me avoid a lot of pain and strife. F&*k with the bull, and your gonna get the horns.
Again, does that make the cop right? hell no. the consequences of his VERY inappropriate actions will be well deserved. not regressing to that state is part of being a cop.....and if you cant do it...get out ( and pay for your actions as well)
but we, as a society, need to teach our children that the world is a dangerous place, and that people dont always follow the law. Inviting that kind of troubl by your actions can yield results you dont like. even if the other person is wrong, your the one with the lumped up head......and sometimes ALOT worseLiving Room 2 Channel -
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First off she hasnt been convicted of anything. She was arrested for car theft not convicted of it, even if she had been convicted the deputy isnt the once that is supposed to mete out that justice. your logic sucks bigtime.
If her parents had did that they would have been arrested for child abuse and rightfully so. Spanking a child and kicking and punching them in the back of the head and pulling her up by her hair are two different things.
He went too far period.
Now I know having to deal with as*h*les all the time can wear your patience thin and there are some that may even deserve a good beating but once a suspect is in your custody you are responsible for there safety and as badly as someone may deserve something it doesnt give you the right to act on those feelings. If you have reached the point where you feel you need to beat someone for kicking a rubber flip flop at you then it's time to either seek counseling or a new profession.
A lil shot of pepper spray would have been force and lesson enough to subdue this dangerous and violent criminal
My 2 cents
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I've been pulled over before for speeding. I wasn't guilty at the time, but it doesnt mean there's reasonable doubt I wasn't guilty either.
Now I do agree it was pretty excessive. Would I have done that? Hell no. Do I think the girl needed a little tough love? Yea...but that was a hop, skip and a jump over the line. Like you said, a little shot of pepper spray would have probably been a much better solution...but I guarantee you people would still be bitching that he pepper sprayed 'an innocent little 15 year old girl'.
Someone mentioned that if this was a big guy instead of a little girl, would this have happened? Well, lets say it did...would people care as much? Nope.
But at the end of the day, had I been in that situation for whatever reason, I would've sat down in my cell...and none of that ever would have happened.
Maybe if we start chopping off hands when people get caught stealing, this wouldnt happen either. But then again, if they cut off your foot for everytime you sped, I'd be up to my pelvis by now:D
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Sadly it's a trend you see more and more. I used to have the utmost respect for "Officer Friendly" but times have changed.
I'll have to admit it's a crappy job but I'm seeing a lot of "over the top" behavior from the cops. I hope the "dick" gets time for his actions. I don't care if they're cops. They have to play by the rules like everyone else does and get off the power trip crap. There's still a constitution with laws. They're not above it and it's time they got a good reminder this isn't **** Germany. If we just sit back and let them do as they damned well please we are all in a world of ****. It will get worse.
That's the way I see it.
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that cop effed up big time. there is no argument for that at all. I will refute those that think it is power tripping....it isnt. Its flat out frustration most likely. Unless you were a cop you'll never fully understand it. I wasnt a cop, yet saw alot of police activity on the ambulance, and even I dont know it fully
that said, should the cop be fired. yes, he seriously crossed a line and even the most ardent police supporter would be hard pressed to defend his actions on any level.
that said, do I place some blame on the girl? yep.
violence is always a 2 way street. In this case I really do not feel sorry for the girl. I know I will catch hell for that, but it's true. My Dad taught me a very simple concept tht helps me avoid a lot of pain and strife. F&*k with the bull, and your gonna get the horns.
Again, does that make the cop right? hell no. the consequences of his VERY inappropriate actions will be well deserved. not regressing to that state is part of being a cop.....and if you cant do it...get out ( and pay for your actions as well)
but we, as a society, need to teach our children that the world is a dangerous place, and that people dont always follow the law. Inviting that kind of troubl by your actions can yield results you dont like. even if the other person is wrong, your the one with the lumped up head......and sometimes ALOT worse
Just saw this...thats pretty much what I was thinking...just said a lot better!I'm all for that...Plus the death penalty and castration.
I'd be all for it if you still only get tickets for speeding:)
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Outstanding posts Gentlemen, but there are a couple more who are going on my ignore list.
That was abuse of power, and position, it's as simple as that. It would have been whether he did it against a woman or a man. But, I doubt he'd ever try it with a man.
Most cops are decent, hard working people who put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe. They deserve our respect & trust, but animals like the one in the video need to be expunged from the rest.
ANY man who would make a joke about something as sad and incomprehensible as this or approve of it in any way, isn't a man, he's an animal.
And I hope to God they don't have children. A boy would grow up being just as ignorant & stupid & a girl would grow up having been abused her whole young life!That you would even consider typing these words is sad........that you actually did and then decided to post it shows your complete lack of mental activity. I can't say that I expect you to do anything other than what's most ignorant, but maybe you don't hear it enough that you need to grow the hell up.
I think you owe the forum an apology........if for no other reason than having to be a witness to you being a complete ****.mrbigbluelight wrote: »As Snow pointed out, that officer was in charge of her safety and care once he arrested her. Period.
He, IMO, probably could use counseling.
And, just as importantly, he missed an opportunity to provide counseling to the 15 year old girl he was in charge of.
Was she spitting/cursing/ at him off camera ? Was she attempting to bite him ?
I don't know. Let's assume she was.
Does he not know that this is not normal or acceptable behavior from a 15 year old girl, as is stealing a car ?
What would possess this child to do this ? Did he ask himself this ?
What she on drugs ? Was she drunk ? What was her family background ? Was she a runaway ? Was she sexually abused at home/school/? ?
Missed opportunity. Strictly non-professional on his part.
Consider this scenario: instead of a 100 pound, 15 year old girl, there was a 325 pound, prison-pumped thug in that cell. If that thug had abused the cop for hours prior to reaching that cell, then that thug had kicked his size 14 shoe at the cop, WOULD THE COP HAVE CHARGED IN THAT CELL BY HIMSELF AND ISSUED AN **** WHOOPING ?
The answer is, IMO, absolutely not and that says it all.
No, this cop wasn't going to let some FEMALE challenge his authority/manhood and get away with it !
Now, if it was a MALE who could kick his arse into the middle of next week, why all of a sudden, he would have remembered departmental rules and police guidelines on handling prisoners.shadowofnight wrote: »Exactly....he finally had a one on one encounter during his shift that he figured he could come out on top of without getting his **** kicked if he took it past what was accepted depatmental procedure.
If off duty out on the street......all of the others he booked that day he wouldnt have made eye contact with, much less try and grab their hair.Norm Apter wrote: »All good points.
In fact, I would take it one step farther to consider the long term ramifications. After that kind of treatment, how much of a chance do you think there is that she's going to develop some modicum of respect for the law and the authorities who represent the law, in the future? If that incident does not leave her with perpetual resentment, I don't know what would.
Second, as for the comment that her parents should have inflicted this sort of treatment upon her in the first place, I think thats nonsense. I'd turn it around to say -- that ultimately there's a much greater likelihood that that is part of the problem -- its origin -- than its solution. I'm not a parent yet, but I can't imagine any circumstance where throwing a daughter up against a wall, delivering two quick "rabbit" punches to the head and pulling her up by the hair would be conscionable, no matter how much of a "problem child" she was.
There are way more effective ways to instill discipline.
Of course cops are humans, not robots. But this guy obviously reached his breaking point and, as far as I'm concerned, he's not worthy of wearing the badge.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
You know, I think you tough talking cowardly **** are just as bad as that demented cop. All they had to do was close the door. That you think what they did was justifiable in ANY way makes me think you wouldn't hesitate to do something like that as well to some woman in your lives.
How totally pathetic, and I hope you get the same kind of treatment that girl got.
Whatever she did it is up to a judge & jury to mete out not some powertripping cops!
Cathy... I think you should read before you post.
And I think you should be banned for wishing harm on fellow Polk members. That, in my mind, is extremely far worse then anyone siding with or against a video on the internet. To actually verbally attack and wish harm on someone because of their opinion, is either complete insecurity showing in your life (Ding), or just another excuse to show your extreme hatred toward men (Ding Ding)
From having served on the street, fought the crime of a city, and had experience as a police officer and public servant, I think your views of men and officers are completely off base and worthless. I have lost all respect for someone who would curse and wish harm on anyone because of their view of a situation.
I will be ashamed of Polk if you don't get some disciplinary action for your shameful post and issue a full public apology.Honoured to be, an original SOPA founding member
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True im sure some people would feel that pepper spray would have been excessive also, but he would have been within bounds in doing so, and she would have realized that for every action there is a sometimes unequal reaction and a consquence for that action. I also feel just simply closing the door and pretending she didnt kick the shoe wouldndt have been helping anyone because she would have continued to feel that she could be defiant and suffer no consquences for her actions.exalted512 wrote: »
Like you said, a little shot of pepper spray would have probably been a much better solution...but I guarantee you people would still be bitching that he pepper sprayed 'an innocent little 15 year old girl'.
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Years ago I used to work as a doorman in several different nightclubs and you never used any more force than what was neccesary to resolve a situation for a couple of reasons, one being it wasnt good for business if a club got a reputation for having guys that beat the crap out of eveyone business would dry up. Also the chances of the club getting sued went way down. It wasnt easy being nice for long periods of time to drunken jerks but it was my job to be nice. So I understand that it can be tough being an officer that has to deal with the dregs of society but once again if you start feeling a need to be violent and over reacting when it's not neccesary then it's time to seek another job or at least counseling.
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True im sure some people would feel that pepper spray would have been excessive also, but he would have been within bounds in doing so, and she would have realized that for every action there is a sometimes unequal reaction and a consquence for that action. I also feel just simply closing the door and pretending she didnt kick the shoe wouldndt have been helping anyone because she would have continued to feel that she could be defiant and suffer no consquences for her actions.
Years ago I used to work as a doorman in several different nightclubs and you never used any more force than what was neccesary to resolve a situation for a couple of reasons, one being it wasnt good for business if a club got a reputation for having guys that beat the crap out of eveyone business would dry up. Also the chances of the club getting sued went way down. It wasnt easy being nice for long periods of time to drunken jerks but it was my job to be nice. So I understand that it can be tough being an officer that has to deal with the dregs of society but once again if you start feeling a need to be violent and over reacting when it's not neccesary then it's time to seek another job or at least counseling.
REGARDS SNOW
What people don't know or realize is the "Force Continuum." Pretty much, a law enforcement officer is able to meet or take one step higher any use of force against that officer.
If some one strikes at the LEO, the LEO can pull out a non-lethal weapon and use it to subdue the subject. If the subject pulls out a non-lethal weapon, the LEO can use a lethal force, if necessary. There are several steps on the force continuum, but you get the idea. What the public think doesn't really matter, it's what the law states that counts.Honoured to be, an original SOPA founding member
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What people don't know or realize is the "Force Continuum." Pretty much, a law enforcement officer is able to meet or take one step higher any use of force against that officer.
If some one strikes at the LEO, the LEO can pull out a non-lethal weapon and use it to subdue the subject. If the subject pulls out a non-lethal weapon, the LEO can use a lethal force, if necessary. There are several steps on the force continuum, but you get the idea. What the public think doesn't really matter, it's what the law states that counts.
Only time will tell but I'm pretty sure what he did to her was not within his rights to do.Speakers: Polk LSi15
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Only time will tell but I'm pretty sure what he did to her was not within his rights to do.
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Read my original post. I said the guy should be charged. Merely said that in response to the pepper spray. Honoured to be, an original SOPA founding member
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As I am Read my original post. I said the guy should be charged. Merely said that in response to the pepper spray.
Ah, ok. And I had read all of your posts, I just didn't realize you were talking about the pepper spray.Speakers: Polk LSi15
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True im sure some people would feel that pepper spray would have been excessive also, but he would have been within bounds in doing so, and she would have realized that for every action there is a sometimes unequal reaction and a consquence for that action. I also feel just simply closing the door and pretending she didnt kick the shoe wouldndt have been helping anyone because she would have continued to feel that she could be defiant and suffer no consquences for her actions.
Agreed. I put earlier that 'They only did what her parents shouldve done a long time ago', I should've elaborated. I meant, they should have disciplined her more...I didnt mean they shouldve kicked her, grabbed her by the hair and thrown her down, punched her a couple more times, then pulled her up by the hair. That was over the top, but I'm still not on the "oo look at the poor innocent girl getting beat up by the big burly man" side.
All of my authority figures get my respect, whether it be a 18 year old in the army, a police officer, a political figure...whatever. I'm not going to fling a shoe at an officer as much as I wouldnt throw a shoe at president bush. If you chose to do so, I think you should have to go through some pain...in this case, pepper spray would have been enough.
Unfortunately, if the girl's parents would have done their job, she probably wouldn't have been in that situation to begin with...but at 15, she knows stealing a car is wrong.
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Where's the real victim in this situation (as in the person whose car was stolen)? What was the root cause of this situation? The girl stole a car. Without the theft occurring, this whole senerio would not have happened.
Sure, I agree with most who think the deputy reacted with excessive force. IMO, I think that many of the LEOs out there are frustrated to the breaking point with the lack of respect for the law. This instance is just one example of a society in decline. Without a defined set of rules which are obeyed by every member of the society, this type of situation will continue to occur.
Currently, our country is in total chaos morally and financially, both of which are tied together. The total lack of respect for the rules and property rights of all legitimate citizens is rampant from the Top on down.
The rules are breaking down and we will eventually have a major problem, moreso than this one instance. I don't know what will happen if a large portion of the population gets to this same breaking point.......>
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ANY man who would make a joke about something as sad and incomprehensible as this or approve of it in any way, isn't a man, he's an animal.
And I hope to God they don't have children. A boy would grow up being just as ignorant & stupid & a girl would grow up having been abused her whole young life!
I personally have two daughters who will be 5 and 3 this year. Your over the top insults against those who have a different opinion than you, are getting really old. I normally blow you off as ignorant, but this just crosses the line, in my opinion. You don't have a clue about how my children are being raised, (or any others on this board for that matter most likely) and to blatantly accuse me of abuse because your view is the only "right one", is borderline threatening. I know many people who have been jailed by threats online... (It's the same as threatening people in person!)... you should be so smart to hold your tongue or retract your misspoken words to avoid the same fate.
I hope you will come back and say you were merely excited and overreacting when you posted, because otherwise it is unacceptable.Honoured to be, an original SOPA founding member
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