Speaker Question???????
Johnnybass
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I have the sr303 onkyo a/v recever 65 watts per.i want to upgrade my speakers so when i upgrade my recever to a 120 watt per chanel(next year) i will be all set. My speckers now are the RM6005.
Will i be able to run the TSI 400 as front speakers with the reciver i have now??? or is my recever to small for theses speakers?
Thanks John
Will i be able to run the TSI 400 as front speakers with the reciver i have now??? or is my recever to small for theses speakers?
Thanks John
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Sure you can...at lower volumes. An underpowered receiver can damage speakers as well.Polk Audio Surround Bar 360
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Knucklehead wrote: »Sure you can...at lower volumes. An underpowered receiver can damage speakers as well.
So i can run them at 45 to 55 on volume like i do now.thats where my system sounds best.how can it hurt the speakers? -
If you push the amp to it's limits, usually with too much bass and volume, the amp will start to 'clip'. Tube amps do not clip nearly as badly. Solid state is the cluprit.
When an amp clips, it produces more energy at higher frequencies(I omit proof). This extra energy at high frequencies can burn the tweeter.
If it starts to sound harsh, at all, TURN IT DOWN!!! -
If you push the amp to it's limits, usually with too much bass and volume, the amp will start to 'clip'. Tube amps do not clip nearly as badly. Solid state is the cluprit.
When an amp clips, it produces more energy at higher frequencies(I omit proof). This extra energy at high frequencies can burn the tweeter.
If it starts to sound harsh, at all, TURN IT DOWN!!!
I do like it loud but sounding good.What front speakers would you go with if you just wanted to better the speakers? or is it worth it. -
Johnnybass wrote: »I do like it loud but sounding good.What front speakers would you go with if you just wanted to better the speakers? or is it worth it.
I think your original plan is the best one as your current avr and its underpowered amp is what is going to hold you back from going 'loud'.
When it comes to speakers and amps - power is your 'friend' not your enemy.
As stated before, what hurts speakers the most is asking too much of your amp when you go loud - this causes the amp to overdrive and you are asking it to deliver more power than it is capable so it 'clips' the output signal going to your speakers - this clipping causes more tweeter damage than just about any other damage done to speakers.
Get your new avr with the bigger amp, then get new speakers.
The TSi400 looks like it would be a good performer for you!
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excellent advice Erik!Polk Audio Surround Bar 360
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Thanks everybody.great info.after talking it out with my Gf,i have decited on the onkyo tx606.it will hold me over till i can up the speakers. we are getting a new 52" lcd to hook it too.
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Great choice...I've run the larger M70s which are similar to the TSI-500s on an Onkyo 605and never had any problems.
Though if you want to add more power, external amps in the future...you might want to consider the 706 which has pre-outs for all channels. Which would future proof you.
But it sounds like that may be too far down that road at this point.
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Great choice...I've run the larger M70s which are similar to the TSI-500s on an Onkyo 605and never had any problems.
Though if you want to add more power, external amps in the future...you might want to consider the 706 which has pre-outs for all channels. Which would future proof you.
But it sounds like that may be too far down that road at this point.
cnh
sounds good to me:D i do like the looks of the 606 -
i'm going to need (bi-amp) front speakers so i can get 7.1 out of a 5.1 setup.i think the tsi400 are bi-amp ????
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I'm pretty sure if you bi-amp with a 606 you're reduced to a 5.1 configuration--give up 2 channels.
Also, Bi-amping may or may not make a difference. And even when it does on an amp like the 606--it's not much of a difference.
If I were you I'd try it and see what you think, but I've done it and went back to single amp on the M70s.
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I'm pretty sure if you bi-amp with a 606 you're reduced to a 5.1 configuration--give up 2 channels.
Also, Bi-amping may or may not make a difference. And even when it does on an amp like the 606--it's not much of a difference.
If I were you I'd try it and see what you think, but I've done it and went back to single amp on the M70s.
cnh
I could make it a 7 speaker set up.? -
The Onkyo is set for 7.1 HD sound formats. If you stay with the speaker series you're thinking about you'll be fine. Those speakers are quite efficient and an 8 ohm load and the Onkyo has pretty good power for its price.
You're fine.
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The Onkyo is set for 7.1 HD sound formats. If you stay with the speaker series you're thinking about you'll be fine. Those speakers are quite efficient and an 8 ohm load and the Onkyo has pretty good power for its price.
You're fine.
cnh
Your talking the "TSI Series? thanks everybody,this is a great site.i'm sure i will have more questions soon:) -
Yes TSI...
They're pretty efficient, designed for the power available from mass market receivers, that's NOT to say they don't benefit from external power amps. They certainly do!
But you're good for now. TSI a nice line, a step up from HTIB and a bit under the RTI series--though I find my M70s to be pretty darned good with more wattage (TSI-500 equivalent).
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Yes TSI...
They're pretty efficient, designed for the power available from mass market receivers, that's NOT to say they don't benefit from external power amps. They certainly do!
But you're good for now. TSI a nice line, a step up from HTIB and a bit under the RTI series--though I find my M70s to be pretty darned good with more wattage (TSI-500 equivalent).
cnh
I'm working on a setup.i would like for all of you to look at it and give me your opinions.i'll have the info tomorrow(sunday) this could be good.:D -
Johnnybass wrote: »I'm working on a setup.i would like for all of you to look at it and give me your opinions.i'll have the info tomorrow(sunday) this could be good.:D
Snow delay:eek:
I'm looking at the TXSR706 A/V recever,100 watts/7.1.
Front speakers TSI300
Center CS10
Surounds TSI 100/4 of them
Sub PSW 125
Is there anything you would change??? i think the speakers are mached to the wattage of the amp but i could be wrong?????
Oh Will the TSI 300 work on a Sr303---65watt recever??i'm asking if it will be enough to run them about half volume???
Thanks John -
Johnnybass wrote: »Snow delay:eek:
I'm looking at the TXSR706 A/V recever,100 watts/7.1.
Front speakers TSI300
Center CS10
Surounds TSI 100/4 of them
Sub PSW 125
Is there anything you would change??? i think the speakers are mached to the wattage of the amp but i could be wrong?????
Oh Will the TSI 300 work on a Sr303---65watt recever??i'm asking if it will be enough to run them about half volume???
Thanks John
Hey John, the TSi 300's are rated for 20-150watt power sources, so you will be ok til you upgrade. Just remember the good advice Erik gave you above, if you hear 'clipping' or anything else unusual then power down the volume. You will probably notice also that using these speakers will give you much more sound than what you are used to with the setup you have now, so with that said you might not have to turn it up half way to get the sound you want. Just be careful when turning up the volume, a little at a time will give you a good indication if you have too much distortion, distortion at high volumes will hurt most speakers.
Also take into consideration the sources of what you are listening to. Do you listen to burned cd's? If so you need to make sure that the bitrate in these recordings is high(292-320 is good), lower bitrate's will distort at lower volumes. Next is the type of music your listening to, if you listen to rap with alot of heavy bass, then you need to take precautions with that(turn the bass down if you have seperate bass and treble controls). Ive only touched a couple things here, im sure some of the people here with the real knowledge can add to this.
Have fun with your purchases-tomMost of them only hear how loud it sounds, and the rest of us hear everything else - :rolleyes: -
woodsman10b wrote: »Hey John, the TSi 300's are rated for 20-150watt power sources, so you will be ok til you upgrade.
Have fun with your purchases-tom
Thank you Tom.are you saying Upgrade my Speaker or A/V??? -
Personally I would upgrade the speakers first, the way I see it, the speakers are the heart of any system, with the power source being the brains. The source you do have now is a quality unit, just not very powerful, so as long as you take the advice given you will have no problems. Then along the way when the time is right for you, upgrade the AVR. tomJohnnybass wrote: »Thank you Tom.are you saying Upgrade my Speaker or A/V???Most of them only hear how loud it sounds, and the rest of us hear everything else - :rolleyes: -
woodsman10b wrote: »Personally I would upgrade the speakers first, the way I see it, the speakers are the heart of any system, with the power source being the brains. The source you do have now is a quality unit, just not very powerful, so as long as you take the advice given you will have no problems. Then along the way when the time is right for you, upgrade the AVR. tom
Tom what(Polk) speakers would you start with using the 303?? this is what i need to know. I would (in the future) like to upgrade to a 130 watt per chl. AVR.
I just got done lisening and watching a movie on my 303 and i am really imprest with the picture on my older Rca bubble tv.I just need better speakers for it then the 6005's. I would like to buy speakers just once and upgrade the avr at the end of 09,i will then get a LCD tv and need the HD video that the 303 is lacking. -
Johnny first of all whats your budget? Where do you live, are you near a big city, cuz local buying is always easier? Is used an option, nothing wrong with buying used if its in excellent shape. tomMost of them only hear how loud it sounds, and the rest of us hear everything else - :rolleyes:
