not much bass from lsi 25

raidersrule76
raidersrule76 Posts: 471
edited February 2009 in Speakers
Ok not sure what i might be doing wrong so someone please help. Just hooked up my new LSI 25:D and for some reason the bass is there just not like I had with my PSW 404 I assume that I should at the very least have the same amount of boom that I had unless im doing something wrong. I dont know it it has to do with the fact that im using a parasound A23 as an amp for them and im using my Yammy HTR 5790 as my pre for the time being. I do have a P3 pre but due to it being only 2 channel Im not using it so that I can still have my surround for my home theater. Any help would be helpful.
Thanks Mark
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,815
    edited February 2009
    You may just be hearing BASS and not BOOM

    There is a difference after all.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2009
    Are they plugged in?
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited February 2009
    $10 bucks says it's your source. Also, are the 25s set to Large?
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  • raidersrule76
    raidersrule76 Posts: 471
    edited February 2009
    yes they are plugged in im dumd just not that dumb.
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  • raidersrule76
    raidersrule76 Posts: 471
    edited February 2009
    Oh and as far as being set to large yes they are. When you say its my source do you mean my avr or my amp?
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited February 2009
    I mean where's the music coming from . . . cd player, PS3, 360, turntable, computer, iPod, tape deck, electric guitar, etc.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2009
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    You may just be hearing BASS and not BOOM

    There is a difference after all.

    x2 on that.

    There is a break in period for your ears whenever you get new speakers...the issue may be that you're hearing cleaner bass, that doesn't necessarily have as much boom. This isn't a bad thing.;)

    If it's really an issue, hook the PSW404 back up.

    I have heard that the 25's are fairly complicated to set up, and require frequent adjustment due to the powered subs.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    I mean where's the music coming from . . . cd player, PS3, 360, turntable, computer, iPod, tape deck, electric guitar, etc.

    If it's an electric guitar...damn...bannable offense there.:p
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited February 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    If it's an electric guitar...damn...bannable offense there.:p

    Yeah I know . . . just making sure that I don't have to make a PM to Justin. You never can tell with these new guys :)
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Yeah I know . . . just making sure that I don't have to make a PM to Justin.

    Good call.
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    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited February 2009
    So what's the source??? Just so you know, we're not making fun of you. Guitars kill home audio speakers and some morons don't seem to know that.
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  • raidersrule76
    raidersrule76 Posts: 471
    edited February 2009
    heck im used to being made fun of and do not take offense. The source would be a couple different things that I have tried first would be a cd via the BD player the other is an Ipod via the usb on the tv. Both are hooked up with a optical cable to the avr. Have not had a chance to watch a movie yet because the other half said that I had to keep it down for the night due to sick kids. Hopefully tommorrow they will go to school and I will be able to try a couple different movies and see what happens.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited February 2009
    You just got them today, right? It may be a simple case of the fact that new speakers need to break in before they start to perform properly.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited February 2009
    Are they wired in phase?
    Also check that the phase switch on the amp is in the same(normal)position on both speakers.
    Aswell the bass level control may be set too low?
    Testing
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited February 2009
    I think you have phase issue. You have three subs to integrate into your system and if one of them out of phase, you do not hear much bass.
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  • raidersrule76
    raidersrule76 Posts: 471
    edited February 2009
    im only running the two LSI 25's right now I do not plan on hooking up the PSW 404. So I would think that its not a phase issue, but maybe it still is.
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited February 2009
    raidersrule76 wrote: »
    im only running the two LSI 25's right now I do not plan on hooking up the PSW 404. So I would think that its not a phase issue, but maybe it still is.

    Yes, you still have the phase issue when you run Lsi25s only. Try to play with the phase switch on Lsi25s you will have better result.
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2009
    It can also be a placement issue. Moving them around and see if things improve.
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  • eclimax13
    eclimax13 Posts: 168
    edited February 2009
    try taking off the jumpers and hooking the subs up to the amp pre out
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  • raidersrule76
    raidersrule76 Posts: 471
    edited February 2009
    ok guys I really thank all of you for your advice. Been messing around with settings and what not for bout a hour or so today and I think that I have it figured out sounds much better. Thanks again will let everyone know how much I enjoy these after I get some more use out of them.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2009
    Well, what did you do?
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  • bondslex
    bondslex Posts: 109
    edited February 2009
    I would add amplification...
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  • raidersrule76
    raidersrule76 Posts: 471
    edited February 2009
    Well the first thing that I tried was hooked my mic for the Htr 5790 and let it go through the set up. After that I messed with the volume controls on the back of the Lsi's and that helped a little bit. After I did that I put on a movie and holy crap yea much better then the music sources that I was listening too so maybe that had something to do with it too. And as far as an amp I am running a Parasound Halo A23 so I would think that is enough power to run them.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited February 2009
    raidersrule76 wrote: »
    Well the first thing that I tried was hooked my mic for the Htr 5790 and let it go through the set up. After that I messed with the volume controls on the back of the Lsi's and that helped a little bit. After I did that I put on a movie and holy crap yea much better then the music sources that I was listening too so maybe that had something to do with it too. And as far as an amp I am running a Parasound Halo A23 so I would think that is enough power to run them.

    I used to use the A23 with my 15s and they're a harder load to drive than the 25s since they are not powered. The results were great. You are not hurting for amplification . . . unless, how bigs your room and where are the speakers placed?

    The difference in sound between movies and music still makes me think it's your source. Do you happen to own an old Xbox or new one? Both those systems play music and tend to increase the bass. If you can, try that . . . or use an alternative CD player.
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  • eclimax13
    eclimax13 Posts: 168
    edited February 2009
    bondslex wrote: »
    I would add amplification...

    uhhh, what?
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited February 2009
    bondslex wrote: »
    I would add amplification...

    LOL :p
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
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