Really need to vent!

Mazeroth

Well, I figure I'd let it all out here and see if anyone else has been bent over by human resources like I just was.

I've been working for my company for 4 years as a packaging chemist and really need a change of scenery. I look at the job postings weekly and have never once found one that I wanted to apply for. Well, a few weeks ago a good friend of mine (an associate director) approached me and told me he's posting a brand new position of its type in his department and he feels I would be a perfect fit. He spoke with my current boss who couldn't agree more, even though he really doesn't want to see me go, and he urged me it would be a great move. Then, a few days later, the guy that would be my boss approached me and asked if I'm going to apply and interview. He is also a very good work friend of mine, which helps, but I don't play those games, seriously. The job is EXACTLY what I am looking for and I feel I would have a big passion to do it. I would actually use my brain for a change and get to develop testing methodologies using lots of hi-end equipment. I would be working with a great group of people, would actually like showing up for work, and would get a nice $8-$10k pay raise. What more can you ask for, right?

Well, a few days ago I got some great news from my associate director friend. Turns out, since I got a promotion 9 months ago I'm still not eligible to apply as our company makes you wait 12 months before you can apply for another internal job. The icing is I've sat at the same desk for 4 years and have done the same job, only my title changed and I got a measly 5% raise (thanks again, HR!). It's the SAME *&%$#*& job, but HR doesn't see it that way. He even went to talk to his boss and they both fought with HR but they wouldn't budge. Lovin' it.

Well, I find out today who did get the job and now I'm ready to start hurting people. She is a nice person but has ZERO experience in the job she just got, while I have 4 years under my belt. What's great is they told me only two others applied for it internally and it needed filled quickly. They told me they HOPE she can do the job. Yeah. You know, if the job market wasn't so crappy right now I'd consider flipping HR the bird and walking out. I know for a fact others have broken the 12 month rule but not for me. Also, did I mention I got the highest performance review for the last two years out of 120 people in our department? It's not like HR doesn't know who I am :rolleyes:

/egotism off

Face

Are you sure you don't work for the government?

manman

Believe me, i know EXACTLY how you feel. This exact situation happened to me at my job twice. Almost the exact same situation but in a software development environment. Had the total approval and good wishes of my boss and the guy who was going to be my boss in the new position, and then things kept 'comming up' which caused them to delay it. They told me if I waited 6 months I'd get the position, I waited and it never came. Exactly the same way, they gave me a title change and small raise to try and keep me there. Then another position came up, and things moved far enough along that they started training me up on the other job, then took the rug out from under my feat. They gave me the reason that there was a 'hiring freeze', so they woulnd't be able to hire my replacement. Even though we already had enough people on my team and way too few people on the other team (as two people had just quit). They told me they would give me more responsibilities in my current position, but the more I talked to people the more they seemed intent on just paying me lip service and keeping me in my same place. That was enough for me, so I DID end up walking, and I've never been happier.

mmadden28

Mazeroth wrote: »

... Turns out, since I got a promotion 9 months ago I'm still not eligible to apply as our company makes you wait 12 months before you can apply for another internal job....

That's a STUPID policy. At my company I know HR pushes to retain employees and to promote/hire from within. The practice you mentioned seems completely opposite.

Hopefully things will work out for you in the end.

treitz3

Welcome to the corporate world where common sense died decades ago.

ND13

Look on the bright side, your the first person I know of that's got any raise at all. 5% is an above average raise in these economic times.

Mazeroth

ND13 wrote: »

Look on the bright side, your the first person I know of that's got any raise at all. 5% is an above average raise in these economic times.

Sup, Noel!

Yes, but that was almost a year ago and that was for a LONG overdue promotion, which is also pissing me off to no end. My immediate supervisor put me in for a promotion 18 months before they gave it to me, and he did it multiple times. Now all I can think about is if that f*cktard manager of mine would have promoted me at ANY point in the first 15 months of the recommendation this thread wouldn't exist.

danger boy

human resources has a way of effing up a good thing don't they?

ND13

My wife will likely get no raise this month. She got a new supervisor in April and she's a hell **** that only got the job over my wife, because she used to work with the bank Pres 5 or 6 years ago. My wife has worked there for over 10 years, and until the new chick, was the only person in Marketing with a degree, and her's is in Marketing from one of the top, if not the top, business school in the nation, IU's Kelly School of Business, which is actually supposed to mean something in Indiana of all places.

Hell I just wish I had a job.

Life is suck!!!

george daniel

Maz,, just be grateful that you have a paycheck, things will work out,sometimes we can't see it,, but in the great scheme of things, sh** happens,usually for a reason. Good luck.;)

fossy

Be waiting to pounce on it, if the new person doesn't work out !!!!!

also be thankful for what you do have like others have said.

Im maxed out in pay for my position. I get 25 cents a year....... woohoooo:mad::mad:

ben62670

No job here bro like others said be grateful. I do understand your frustration.
It'll come.
Ben

Early B.

maz --

Perhaps the job wasn't meant for you to have, regardless of how good it may have appeared. As George said, this was a blessing in disguise. Now you have a better idea how much you are valued by the company.

BTW -- How cute is the girl who got the job?

ben62670

Pics man Pics:D

NotaSuv

treitz3 wrote: »

Welcome to the corporate world where common sense died decades ago.

LOL so so true......... took me 25 years to finally get out and find my dream job...............very small company where I am COO and HR

hope all works out for the best..........

sucks2beme

Right now there's no real pressure on employers to do anything other
than cut pay and screw people. They are perfectly happy to use
unexperienced (read lower paid) people to fill postions. Or outsource
tech positions to unexperienced people with poor englisgh skills(India).

Fireman32

Sorry to hear but like others said be happy that you are working. There are rumors going around our office today that we might get our office shut down due to the company buying another company that does almost the same work as we do. There making a big anouncement at noon today. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

mmadden28

sucks2beme wrote: »

Right now there's no real pressure on employers to do anything other
than cut pay and screw people. They are perfectly happy to use
unexperienced (read lower paid) people to fill postions. Or outsource
tech positions to unexperienced people with poor englisgh skills(India).

Unless they learn anything from mismanagement decisions like that from companies like Tweeter and CC and the resulting downfall.

Jstas

Why do you think I got a new job? Tired of the corporate screw job I was getting at 12 years of service and less than a pittance for a raise.

Mike Reeter

Maz,It sounds to me like you have the wrong equipment down there.

Used to be time when hard work and determination paid off...not so true today.

The better you perform,the more that is expected of you.

Hang tuff,opportunities will come,one way or the other.

nooshinjohn

at least you still got a job... me, I got reverse descriminated out of one and have been looking for three months now....

agfrost

That sucks, but don't let it affect your job performance. It sounds like you've got multiple supervisors that have you on their radar as someone who can get stuff done and is a good employee. Keep showing them that you are that guy.

Another position (or maybe that same one if the girl doesn't cut it) will become available and you'll be there, ready to jump on it.

Sucks that you got caught up in HR BS by-laws, but you'll have your 12 months in your current position soon enough and hopefully won't get screwed again.

Good luck.

Jay

madmax

Give it another 3 months, they may still want you in the new position.

ttomp

Hopefully she CAN'T do the job and they take 3 months to figure it out.

reeltrouble1

OK Maz it sucks and there is no way to make that go away, but water and talent ALWAY rise to their appropritate level no matter how hard you try to hold it back, it will come, does not help for now but believe me, it will come, btw, we have the same rule.

RT1

brettw22

The asshats I used to work for had the same rule, but I can't remember if theirs was 6 or 12 months.......

They were DEFINITELY out to screw people though at my place, so after testing out retirement for 2 years, I ended up getting a job with a 60% raise.......lol........EFF THEM!!!!!

Polk user

Well if the 12 month rule has been broken before, it sounds like you got hit with some good Ole affirmative action.

sucks2beme

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

OK Maz it sucks and there is no way to make that go away, but water and talent ALWAY rise to their appropritate level no matter how hard you try to hold it back, it will come, does not help for now but believe me, it will come, btw, we have the same rule.

RT1

They were nit-picking rules to give her first chance. Hang in there.
It does sound like they like your work. But HR is HR. I've had more than
one go round with HR on stuff like that.

shepx2

mmadden28 wrote: »

That's a STUPID policy. At my company I know HR pushes to retain employees and to promote/hire from within. The practice you mentioned seems completely opposite.

Hopefully things will work out for you in the end.

My company has the same policy as Mazeroths. And they seem confused as to why all these folks under 40 are leaving the company. (Even in this economy)

It's sad, but it keeps the bean counters happy until they release the true financial numbers, since the mediocre people they keep can't do the work.