Bose 901 any good?

Serendipity
Serendipity Posts: 6,975
edited January 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
So - I heard the Bose 901 Series VI yesterday in a 2 channel setup similar to mine and I'm really confused.

Now, over the past year I've been on 3-4 audio forums and the general consensus is that "Bose sucks." However, I did not hear anything about the 901s that were especially bad. In fact, they didn't sound bad at all with classical music.

What's up with that? (I'm just trying to be open minded about demoing speakers and even though many do not like Bose I decided that I should hear them for myself first.)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2009
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    Okay, but that still doesn't explain what I am hearing....

    The 901s sounded very natural and smooth with classical music. As a classical pianist I have come to appreciate this kind of sound and I didn't think the 901s were bad at all with regards to this.
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  • Fongolio
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    Someone said the "B" word.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Okay, but that still doesn't explain what I am hearing....

    You are a fast reader......you read all those threads and posts? I am seriously not trying to be an a** I thought the posts which involve the 901 would be provide helpful info in addition to what might be added here in this post.

    Bose tend to be a catalyst for the fireworks so not sure what type of "answer" you will get.

    Bose, IMO, has never sounded real. Greta high volume party speaker like Cerwin Vega's............serious music......forget it, IMO.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Okay, but that still doesn't explain what I am hearing....

    The 901s sounded very natural and smooth with classical music. As a classical pianist I have come to appreciate this kind of sound and I didn't think the 901s were bad at all with regards to this.

    You have to be kidding? Piano and it's timbre is the hardest to reproduce accurately.

    Hey if you like em............you like em.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You are a fast reader......you read all those threads and posts? I am seriously not trying to be an a** I thought the posts which involve the 901 would be provide helpful info in addition to what might be added here in this post.

    Bose tend to be a catalyst for the fireworks so not sure what type of "answer" you will get.

    Bose, IMO, has never sounded real. Greta high volume party speaker like Cerwin Vega's............serious music......forget it, IMO.

    H9

    I was actually reading old threads before you posted.
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  • Serendipity
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    edited January 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    You have to be kidding? Piano and it's timbre is the hardest to reproduce accurately.

    Hey if you like em............you like em.

    Why? Piano sounded accurate on the 901's, especially in the midrange.

    Also, steveinaz's opinion of the speakers is very similar to what I noticed - they are not bright at all.
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited January 2009
    Everyone has their own set of ears... All the Bose i have ever heard sound flat with no "life" behind them. Might be why the Classical sounds good on those. Not much mid range nor low end to really get the full effect. Just crank up the Treble on some Polks and call it a day.

    IMHO of course


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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    Everyone has their own set of ears... All the Bose i have ever heard sound flat with no "life" behind them. Might be why the Classical sounds good on those. Not much mid range nor low end to really get the full effect. Just crank up the Treble on some Polks and call it a day.


    Pauly

    You have a point there. Piano shouldn't sound bright like what I'm hearing with my Definitives - it should be accurate. On my setup there is a bit of harshness in the upper midrange and the Bose didn't exhibit that.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2009
    The 901's do sound good, right up to the point where you realize what you are missing ;) I had a pair for several years. It's the best that Bose has to offer. If you like them, buy them and don't make any apologies.

    For a serious party speaker the Bose 801 commercial series could really rock a dorm party. I had a set of those driven by Crown DC300's I believe if my memory is correct.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Why? Piano sounded accurate on the 901's, especially in the midrange.

    Also, steveinaz's opinion of the speakers is very similar to what I noticed - they are not bright at all.

    They can't be bright because they use full range speakers.....no tweeters. Or the tweeter's are 3" paper cones which by design don't produce very accurate highs
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    Why does this sound more accurate then? Pardon my ignorance, but the brightness I am hearing on the Definitives when listening to classical piano is not present on the Bose???
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Why does this sound more accurate then? Pardon my ignorance, but the brightness I am hearing on the Definitives when listening to classical piano is not present on the Bose???

    In all honesty it's either an upstream gear issue, room issue, recording issue or a combo of all three.

    Were the Bose with your system in your room with the same recording?
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  • Serendipity
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    edited January 2009
    Same recording, driven by an Onkyo AVR and Onkyo CDP similar to what I am using.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2009
    Every speaker has its strong and weak points. Its up to us to figure out what we have to have and what we can give up. The 901 is producing a strength your Definitives don't excel at. Listen longer with more stuff and you will figure it out.
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  • Serendipity
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    edited January 2009
    madmax wrote: »
    Every speaker has its strong and weak points. Its up to us to figure out what we have to have and what we can give up. The 901 is producing a strength your Definitives don't excel at. Listen longer with more stuff and you will figure it out.

    Thanks. Like stated before, I've seen lots of posts stating that "Bose sucks" but when I heard the 901s for myself, they weren't that bad.

    Overall the Definitive BP10B outperforms the Bose, IMO. However, I like the fact that the Bose aren't as harsh with piano.
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  • Serendipity
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    edited January 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    In all honesty it's either an upstream gear issue, room issue, recording issue or a combo of all three.

    It may be a room issue, as my piano sounds bright in the same room. The speakers used to be in the living room though - I've moved my Definitives to the basement and it's still bright.
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  • Pauly
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    edited January 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    Thanks. Like stated before, I've seen lots of posts stating that "Bose sucks" but when I heard the 901s for myself, they weren't that bad.

    Overall the Definitive BP10B outperforms the Bose, IMO. However, I like the fact that the Bose aren't as harsh with piano.
    Get a speaker switch, hook up both. When you listen to Classical switch to Bose, Anything else switch to the Def's. Grab a beer, sit back and enjoy. Then call it a day. :)

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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    Get a speaker switch, hook up both. When you listen to Classical switch to Bose, Anything else switch to the Def's. Grab a beer, sit back and enjoy. Then call it a day. :)

    Pauly

    I'd like to, but midrange is the only thing I like on the Bose. On the Definitives the detail, imaging, and soundstage is MUCH better.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    What could I do to help tame the brightness of the Definitives? When they were upstairs they were very bright, and my piano (in the living room) is also very bright sounding.

    I've always thought it was because I have a crappy piano :(
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited January 2009
    appadv - the DTs are bright to you, the Bose are not bright, you think they sound good, then to you the Bose sound better, what is the big deal.

    Others here and everywhere else (many others) have heard the Bose 901 and do not like what they hear, simple.

    Why why WHY.... f*ck dude nobody here knows, it's your ears, trust them for what you want from YOUR speakers.
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited January 2009
    Get a speaker switch, hook up both. When you listen to Classical switch to Bose, Anything else switch to the Def's. Grab a beer, sit back and enjoy. Then call it a day. :)

    Pauly

    can't forget the Bose EQ that is required, add push in the tape mpn. button :)
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  • Pauly
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    edited January 2009
    hoosier21 wrote: »
    can't forget the Bose EQ that is required, add push in the tape mpn. button :)

    DOH! :rolleyes:
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    I'm looking to make the Definitives sound a little less bright - they already have more detail and great imaging compared to the Bose - its just that one thing that I don't like.
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited January 2009
    appadv wrote: »
    I'd like to, but midrange is the only thing I like on the Bose. On the Definitives the detail, imaging, and soundstage is MUCH better.

    They are BOSE, not a well rounded speaker (Can i say that?). Call it a day :D


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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    In this thread I posted pictures of my setup:
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70062

    Since then I have added carpeting in the back of the room and a large foam mat in the front - but the sound is still bright.
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  • Serendipity
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    edited January 2009
    What else should I be doing with regards to the room issue?
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  • treitz3
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    edited January 2009
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    Are we still talking about this room?
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited January 2009
    you can add resistors to the tweeter

    here is a great little tool
    http://www.diyaudioandvideo.com/Calculator/LPad/
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited January 2009
    treitz3,

    Nah, the other room....
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