Monster Cable Jargon Hooplah

ben62670

I heard he doesn't wear underwear:eek: and those chaps:)

ben62670

I eat boogers for breakfast:mad:

wald0

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Also, that Monster connector/adaptor thing isn't even really that great by concept. Just by using a connector you're creating a gap in the signal flow. With these connectors there are two gaps in the signal flow now.

Not quoting you as right or wrong, but now you've got me thinking. From a kind of scientific point of view, that would be true, because the threads are round and not every part of even the outside threads could be technically touching the connector (if you were to zoom in really close). Now the only question is whether or not the current/signal could jump across the [tiny] gap to the connector just as easily as it could go through the wire. If not, then yes there would be a gap in the flow. Now a matter of judgement can be applied as to how big of a deal that is. But I have heard some people say that using a connector is only gives one more place where connection can fail.

But then you could say that using a connector has a better shape for touching the wire threads than certain direct connect options.

WARNING: ^ ^ ^ Unnecessarily articulate observations ^ ^ ^

In my opinion, even though I do get caught up in these incredible debates with myself about the finite characteristics of wires, I think the if you have a balanced set of RCAs, and some oxygen-free, twisted speaker cable in the right gauge, you are good to go.

-wald0

Edit: wow I didn't read all the way down, and I didn't realize this thread went to goofing off, must be a tired idea of a topic. :P

gdb

ben62670 wrote: »

What their speaker wire that turns green with age? Crap RCA's? If you want to go real cheap with speaker wire WalMart has decent 14ga wire in the Automotive department. Not the stuff in electronics.

I think he was talking about HD's 12ga outdoor lighting cable, it's got a tough black insulation,zip cord config. & rated for direct burial too. Not sure though!:)

Face

I had Monster Cable that turned green.

Face

asd1234 wrote: »

Just go to Home Dept. and get some cables there. It will save you $ and get better quality.

Yes, it goes great with curbside and dumpster diving finds.

F1nut

Face wrote: »

Yes, it goes great with curbside and dumpster diving finds.

Sig material there!

comfortablycurt

wald0 wrote: »

Not quoting you as right or wrong, but now you've got me thinking. From a kind of scientific point of view, that would be true, because the threads are round and not every part of even the outside threads could be technically touching the connector (if you were to zoom in really close). Now the only question is whether or not the current/signal could jump across the [tiny] gap to the connector just as easily as it could go through the wire. If not, then yes there would be a gap in the flow. Now a matter of judgement can be applied as to how big of a deal that is. But I have heard some people say that using a connector is only gives one more place where connection can fail.

But then you could say that using a connector has a better shape for touching the wire threads than certain direct connect options.

WARNING: ^ ^ ^ Unnecessarily articulate observations ^ ^ ^

In my opinion, even though I do get caught up in these incredible debates with myself about the finite characteristics of wires, I think the if you have a balanced set of RCAs, and some oxygen-free, twisted speaker cable in the right gauge, you are good to go.

-wald0

Edit: wow I didn't read all the way down, and I didn't realize this thread went to goofing off, must be a tired idea of a topic. :P

I'm sure the difference in SQ that would result from using a two part connector like that is minimal...and most people probably wouldn't even notice it. In theory though...like you said, it's just one more possible spot for the connection to fail.

Like I said before...unless you have to change connector styles a lot, there's not really much of a point, and you'd be better off just going with a solid connector. It's great if you do have to change connectors a lot though, which I'm sure some people do.

ben62670

Face wrote: »

Yes, it goes great with curbside and dumpster diving finds.

I think I peed my pants:D LOL

Mike Kozak

I bought 50 feet of 14awg wire at Home depot this past weekend. Will hook up my Monitor 10s with it. 21.00

SEH

wald0 wrote: »

Not quoting you as right or wrong, but now you've got me thinking. From a kind of scientific point of view, that would be true,

Um, no, from a scientific point of view it's completely bogus. This is easily verified with a meter.

george daniel

Face wrote: »

Yes, it goes great with curbside and dumpster diving finds.

Gold Jerry,Gold

SEH

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I'm sure the difference in SQ that would result from using a two part connector like that is minimal...and most people probably wouldn't even notice it. In theory though...like you said, it's just one more possible spot for the connection to fail.

There's no difference in sound quality. None. It's too silly to even debate.

And there's zero chance of that connection failing. The wire connection to the banana (or base in this case) is what has an actual chance of failing, so if you're that worried you must use unterminated wire.

comfortablycurt

SEH wrote: »

There's no difference in sound quality. None. It's too silly to even debate.

And there's zero chance of that connection failing. The wire connection to the banana (or base in this case) is what has an actual chance of failing, so if you're that worried you must use unterminated wire.

Well then you can go ahead and use them if you want. It seems like a bad concept to me, and I think I'm going to continue thinking that.

A solid piece of metal is a better conductor than two pieces of metal that are touching each other. The same reason you wouldn't want to connect two lengths of speaker wire together. To debate that fact would be silly.

Like I said...the difference in SQ is probably minimal at most...more likely nonexistant. How many things are there in the audiophile world that make no difference on paper, or through test equipment, but make a difference in your ears? Certain things can't be proven through scientific methods.

So like I said...if you want to spend twice the money to have a two piece connector, you're more than welcome to. I think I'll stick with one piece connectors, because it makes more sense to me.:D

Curt

TouchOfEvil

Mike Kozak wrote: »

I bought 50 feet of 14awg wire at Home depot this past weekend. Will hook up my Monitor 10s with it. 21.00

You spent more than needed on a product that will turn green over time....

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239
better wire better price no green.:cool:

SEH

comfortablycurt wrote: »

A solid piece of metal is a better conductor than two pieces of metal that are touching each other.

In this case, it's not. They are the same as one for conductivity, and in fact more capable than the wire itself.

To debate that fact would be silly.

Indeed.

You know what makes it even more silly? It's not like regular banana connectors are carved from a single chunk of billet. Most of them are multiple pieces, with the tip being a different piece from the body, and then the springs being more separate pieces. That's a lot of non-solid metal to go through. And that's before we consider the plating. I guess you get your connectors unplated though, right, to avoid the extra "gap" in electron flow?

Like I said...the difference in SQ is probably minimal at most...more likely nonexistant. How many things are there in the audiophile world that make no difference on paper, or through test equipment, but make a difference in your ears?

Have you even checked these with your ears? Or are you just speculating? There are a ton of people here using modular connectors, and you would be the first to ever bring up a SQ issue (I searched to be sure). I've heard iconns with just the pin, or with bananas or spades attached. I can hear no difference. Would MIT routinely terminate their wires with something that effs up the sound? Seems unlikely, but maybe they need you and your ears to set them straight.

agfrost

Nothing like a speaker wire or M* cable thread to bring out the warm and fuzzy in all of us.

Jay

inspiredsports

suprafantx wrote: »

Should I buy Monster cables if I can get them with 75% discount?

That might make sense, but may prove the point. Is that directly from Monster for "firsts" (no cosmetic problems, no returns, etc.)? If they are firsts from Monster at 75% off. They probably still made a decent profit because of their high marketing created margins.

Mike Kozak

TouchOfEvil wrote: »

You spent more than needed on a product that will turn green over time....

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239
better wire better price no green.:cool:

So I did, lesson learned

ben62670

inspiredsports wrote: »

That might make sense, but may prove the point. Is that directly from Monster for "firsts" (no cosmetic problems, no returns, etc.)? If they are firsts from Monster at 75% off. They probably still made a decent profit because of their high marketing created margins.

OK confession time. I own a monster cable:o I was getting some electronic parts at rat shack and there was some ~m~ digital cables on sale $5 marked down from $70. They were selling a cable that "costs" $70 for $5. Kinda says a little about the wire itself. Fancy jacket and heavy marketing. Add to the fact that they sue everyone who uses the word monster in business whether cable related or not. I won't give them any of my money. I went though a short monster phase. Their cheaper wire is crap like the "time corrected" XP stuff with some sort of tube in it. After you strip all the plastic out of it it is like 18ga wire. I'll pass. All that ~m~ cable I used is in the trash(whole surround sound system). I would not even give it away. It belongs in the dumpster where I sent it. As for the "expensive" cheap digital cable it is being used on my cheap DVD changer for kids movies 2 channel style;)
Ben

rayslifecycle

check it out! :eek:

inspiredsports

clarknova_666 wrote: »

check it out! :eek:

Peed my pants when I read it !!! My wife has had to do 3 loads of laundry since I started reading this thread.

Is it from the Onion? I think the price should have been 15.8 dollars.

ben62670

Someone is going to get sued...

davidk0512

ben62670 wrote: »

OK confession time. I own a monster cable:o I was getting some electronic parts at rat shack and there was some ~m~ digital cables on sale $5 marked down from $70. They were selling a cable that "costs" $70 for $5. Kinda says a little about the wire itself. Fancy jacket and heavy marketing. Add to the fact that they sue everyone who uses the word monster in business whether cable related or not. I won't give them any of my money. I went though a short monster phase. Their cheaper wire is crap like the "time corrected" XP stuff with some sort of tube in it. After you strip all the plastic out of it it is like 18ga wire. I'll pass. All that ~m~ cable I used is in the trash(whole surround sound system). I would not even give it away. It belongs in the dumpster where I sent it. As for the "expensive" cheap digital cable it is being used on my cheap DVD changer for kids movies 2 channel style;)
Ben

I just removed some of the XP stuff a couple of weeks ago and replaced with Belden 12 from Bluejeans. I don't remember how long I've had it, but it turned greasy and green from end to end on 10 foot runs. I've saved it in my garage to use as an example of what not to use. I always wondered what that string of plastic core tubing was for, maybe it's like the fillers in low quality dog food - no nutritional value, but a lot more **** produced.

ben62670

It makes it look like there is some copper in there, and another revolutionary design by ~m~:rolleyes:

comfortablycurt

SEH wrote: »

In this case, it's not. They are the same as one for conductivity, and in fact more capable than the wire itself.



Indeed.

You know what makes it even more silly? It's not like regular banana connectors are carved from a single chunk of billet. Most of them are multiple pieces, with the tip being a different piece from the body, and then the springs being more separate pieces. That's a lot of non-solid metal to go through. And that's before we consider the plating. I guess you get your connectors unplated though, right, to avoid the extra "gap" in electron flow?



Have you even checked these with your ears? Or are you just speculating? There are a ton of people here using modular connectors, and you would be the first to ever bring up a SQ issue (I searched to be sure). I've heard iconns with just the pin, or with bananas or spades attached. I can hear no difference. Would MIT routinely terminate their wires with something that effs up the sound? Seems unlikely, but maybe they need you and your ears to set them straight.

Get your panties out of that bunch they're in buddy. That's just the way I see it. As I said...you are more than welcome to use your two piece connectors if you want. I myself...will use a one piece connector.

I don't care if it's just the same on paper or whatever...it SEEMS like a bad idea IN MY OPINION. Nothing you can say is ever going to change that opinion either.

Go ahead and use those connectors if you so wish...as I've said a few times now...I see no purpose for it whatsoever for my personal needs. If it would be useful for you...great...go for it. I don't want them.

You need not continue trying to sway my opinion...because it's already made up.

joev11

wald0 wrote: »

I think it is for people for whom money is no object. I'm sure they are the best granted cost isn't a factor?

Monster cables are designed for people who like to "watch" the music as well as listen to it. These are the same people who bought a foreign car back in the 1980's and paid over sticker price for it, then actually bragged about it to their friends.

joev11

FInut, I heartily agree with and applaud your tag line. Would that more would see and understand the truth.****************************************************************

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