Some of the workers at Ford have a better idea

trubluluc
trubluluc Posts: 2,067
edited January 2009 in The Clubhouse
This is freaking ridiculous.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/10235271/index.html

I wish there was a part 2 to this video that explains how a company doesn't know part of it's work force is not on the job, or loaded when they are.

-Luc
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,335
    edited January 2009
    Soon, our tax money will be buying the drinks. Congress and the president will give them their bailout to payback for the votes they got. No back alley politics here, it's all out front.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,380
    edited January 2009
    just my two cents...
    I built cars at the subaru plant in indiana... these guys are due the benefit of a doubt here... doing this type of work is by far the most demanding work i have ever done, physically and mentally. these men may be on a split shift or other types of positions within the plant. it is obvious to me that they may even be union shop stewards or something where they are more involved with things other than production. i do not believe that bailing out detroit serves the long term public good, but something should be done to not only strengthen the auto industry but restore manufacturing as a whole....
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited January 2009
    how does this happen? are they not clocking out, I have never been at a factory that you did not have to clock out even for lunch. I am sure it's the way it's been for years or something like that. Those guys have some balls doing that. We got away with murder on midnight shift where I worked, the boss hated being there as much as we did, and he let stuff slide as long as the work got done, but when on days, when the big wigs where there, it was a whole different ball game.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2009
    Being that the economy is so slow I can't think there production lines are very busy (read in between lines "Time to KILL) News people are just news people what ever looks good on tv. Nothing is news here IMHO.

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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited January 2009
    I've said it before, we're ENABLING bad behavior. There are MILLIONS of people who are losing their jobs, without the benefit of UNION!!! These drunk douchbags should be put out on their asses, without ANY public assistance!
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited January 2009
    obieone wrote: »
    I've said it before, we're ENABLING bad behavior. There are MILLIONS of people who are losing their jobs, without the benefit of UNION!!! These drunk douchbags should be put out on their asses, without ANY public assistance!


    Come now. If you really meant that, Ted Kennedy would have to be first in line for the door!
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  • thebluemonkey
    thebluemonkey Posts: 190
    edited January 2009
    And you wonder why forign car companys are kicking our asses
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited January 2009
    thebluemonkey wrote: »
    And you wonder why forign car companys are kicking our asses

    Yeah, 'cause half a dozen guys are out taking extra long lunch breaks and boozing it up. That's the reason why, for sure! :rolleyes:
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I built cars at the subaru plant in indiana... these guys are due the benefit of a doubt here... doing this type of work is by far the most demanding work i have ever done, physically and mentally.

    I cannot vouch for the validity of the video, but if it is true, those guys should have their asses in the street with no pension/benefits whatsoever.

    Hard work? 3 hours a day in a bar during their shift? BS.
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited January 2009
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I cannot vouch for the validity of the video, but if it is true, those guys should have their asses in the street with no pension/benefits whatsoever.

    Hard work? 3 hours a day in a bar during their shift? BS.

    Everywhere has a couple of these guys. I had a boss like that.
    Anytime after 1 P.M., don't bother. Union, non-union, sales, blue
    collar, etc. I had a guy in my workgroup 20 years ago that got a DWI
    on the way home from work at 8 a.m. in the morning. Alkies are alkies.
    They always find a way to drink. It's getting rarer to see them drinking
    at long luches, but watch out at 5p.m.!
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited January 2009
    Those guys should be out on there asses. Do I think this happens everywhere? No but I am sure it happens alot.

    I also think there manager or whatever should be tossed out as well.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2009
    I spent many years doing business with manufacturing plants that manufactured/assembled products from automobiles to diapers. It is all over and its a major reason manufacturing in this country is in serious trouble. As a sales representative for some major manufactures I was fortunate to see products being produced. I also had the opportunity to witness first hand this behavior while entertaining customers. It's pathetic.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2009
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I cannot vouch for the validity of the video, but if it is true, those guys should have their asses in the street with no pension/benefits whatsoever.

    Hard work? 3 hours a day in a bar during their shift? BS.

    You guys are forgetting one word that lets this kind of crap happen: UNION.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    zingo wrote: »
    You guys are forgetting one word that lets this kind of crap happen: UNION.
    My union would hang me out to dry if I did that sort of thing.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited January 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    just my two cents...
    I built cars at the subaru plant in indiana... these guys are due the benefit of a doubt here... doing this type of work is by far the most demanding work i have ever done, physically and mentally. these men may be on a split shift or other types of positions within the plant. ....
    john

    Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt? They lied to the reporter-Why do that unless they weren't on the up and up. If they were on a split shift-or whatever, they could just say so and tell the reporter to pound sand.

    Whether or not they were actually on or off the clock is one issue, but the more serious one, IMHO, is the potential Drunk Driving. Granted we don't really know how much they were drinking, but come on 4 hours? Then the possibility that they might be operating machinery when they return to work?

    I don't think its valid as an overall reflection of Ford or Unions, but who knows. I only saw, what, 4 guys? Out of how many employees? Appears to be an isolated problem and should have been brought to Ford management attention rather than a News Story-but that is the media for you.

    I'd love to have seen the wive's reactions when they saw this on the news. :eek:
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited January 2009
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    Why would you give them the benefit of the doubt? They lied to the reporter-Why do that unless they weren't on the up and up. If they were on a split shift-or whatever, they could just say so and tell the reporter to pound sand.

    You don't know the situation at all. You only know what some two-bit reporter at a local news station is telling you. That expose does nothing but make the reporter look slicker than he is. Kinda like Geraldo Rivera. You also have no idea what their job at the Ford factory is. For all you know, they could be the janitors. It's hack reporting work at best and the only redeeming quality to it is the potential for drunk driving being exposed.

    On top of that, everybody screaming unions suck, you also don't know if these guys are union or not. There are plenty of non-union jobs at the big three too.


    I think the real problem in this country is not the unions, the politicians, the automakers or the bankers. It's the stupid, dim-witted sheeple that believe everything they see, hear and read.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2009
    Jstas wrote: »

    I think the real problem in this country is not the unions, the politicians, the automakers or the bankers. It's the stupid, dim-witted sheeple that believe everything they see, hear and read.


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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited January 2009
    Believe me, it happens a lot of places. Sales guys, service guys, union,
    non-union, etc. I never have worked in a union shop. Yet, there it was.
    Union just makes it harder to get rid of them. Bar flies are bar flies.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited January 2009
    Jstas wrote: »
    You don't know the situation at all. You only know what some two-bit reporter at a local news station is telling you. That expose does nothing but make the reporter look slicker than he is. Kinda like Geraldo Rivera. You also have no idea what their job at the Ford factory is. For all you know, they could be the janitors. It's hack reporting work at best and the only redeeming quality to it is the potential for drunk driving being exposed.

    On top of that, everybody screaming unions suck, you also don't know if these guys are union or not. There are plenty of non-union jobs at the big three too.


    I think the real problem in this country is not the unions, the politicians, the automakers or the bankers. It's the stupid, dim-witted sheeple that believe everything they see, hear and read.

    Are you talking to me? I didn't jump to any conclusions? I stated my opinion on the way the story was presented. I didn't condemn the guys.

    What I did state that was obvious was that they were at the bar, yet they lied about it when questioned. The guy talking about forgetting his pager and having his wife drop it off at a bar for him? The guy working the midnight shift? etc. The interviews were live-not one sided pieced together editing room cuts. If they were then the guys and Ford would sue the news agency for slander, libel or whatever the legal terms are.

    It doesn't matter what job they do. As a matter of fact it doesn't even matter that they even work for Ford or if they even work at all. The guys lied about their activities. As I said its should not have been a matter for the media but for Ford's management (if they even work for Ford).

    Stop trying to read so much into what people say. You don't know me and you don't know my complete view on things. :mad:
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2009
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    Believe me, it happens a lot of places. Sales guys, service guys, union,
    non-union, etc. I never have worked in a union shop. Yet, there it was.
    Union just makes it harder to get rid of them. Bar flies are bar flies.

    Well maybe blaming things on union is my bias since I'm management... ;)
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited January 2009
    Can you say fired.
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited January 2009
    zingo wrote: »
    Well maybe blaming things on union is my bias since I'm management... ;)

    I had a manager that was a barfly. IT took years for someone to catch up with the ****.
    And worse yet, he assumed all his employees were ****
    the company as bad as he was. I transfered out from under him. He was
    royally pissed about it. I only spent about a year working for him, but I saw
    him around for years after. What a piece of work. He even got promoted
    up to a higher level.
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited January 2009
    Face wrote: »
    My union would hang me out to dry if I did that sort of thing.

    Ditto that.
    In 5 years that I have been in a union, I've yet to see that kind of behavior. The ones that have real problems miss a lot of work, then get laid off or fired. Usually they end up with at least one DUI, and can't get to work every day on their own. Needless to say, they don't get called to work on other jobs.

    In contrast, I saw it happen a lot over the previous 15 years, in non-union shops. (many of them being management/owners)

    So what does that prove? nothing, other than alcoholics will blow off work to drink.
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