Elemental Designs Subwoofers

rdb2001
rdb2001 Posts: 791
edited January 2009 in Speakers
I am in the market for upgrading my subwoofers. I was on avs forum and a seem to be well respected member Craigsub posted this ranking of subwoofers. Elemental designs has a number of subs on that list. I wanted to know how accurate this list might be and has anyone ever heard and elemental sub.

http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11


http://http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768150
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2009
    Never had or heard one, seem to be happy customers if you don't mind waiting.

    Which eD sub you interested in ?
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
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  • rdb2001
    rdb2001 Posts: 791
    edited January 2009
    thsmith wrote: »
    Never had or heard one, seem to be happy customers if you don't mind waiting.

    Which eD sub you interested in ?

    I am thinking about getting two of these. I have heard nothing but good things on blu ray forum and they rank according to this list above the svs nsd10 i was thinking about for 100 less.

    A2 - 300 Subwoofer
    http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2009
    Should work well if you have a small room <1500cf
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2009
    OH NOES!

    Looks like a possible "dehlima" :D:D
    Never Forget
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  • rdb2001
    rdb2001 Posts: 791
    edited January 2009
    PolkThug wrote: »
    OH NOES!

    Looks like a possible "dehlima" :D:D

    IT is does anyone know the guy Craigsub from avs who posted this list and how accurate it may be.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2009
    Infamous ED thread
    Never Forget
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2009
    PolkThug wrote: »
    Infamous ED thread

    What was the point of that post, 6 year old posting and no real value in content.

    The OP needs to post the cubic feet of his room if he is looking for suggestions.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    To point out their past business practices.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • rdb2001
    rdb2001 Posts: 791
    edited January 2009
    So does anyone have any experience with ED and if so, how do they stack up against EPIK, SVS, Velo, HSU. Those are the brands I am looking at. Its 15x19 room.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited January 2009
    ED is a client of mine and while all companies have their hiccups, they are a growing company that offer a great value in their home audio products. I also know Craig Chase a little bit and yes his list is a valuable tool. It's not gospel, but there's a ton great objective and subjective knowledge there.

    The only issue I have with ED subs is that they have no eq curves or limiters built into their amps. This means that the user needs to be aware and careful about overdriving the driver and amp. As you go up in their lines, it's harder and harder to do, but it's still an issue.

    As thsmith said, room size is very important. The A2-300 will give you great deep bass performance for very little money if properly calibrated and played within it's limits.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • apphd
    apphd Posts: 1,514
    edited January 2009
    rdb assuming you have 8' ceilings I have a room about 80 cubic ft smaller than yours. I also have one eD A2-300 and I have no complaints. How do you plan to position them? Even with 2 identical subs getting two subs to work together can be a little time consuming. Also these are LARGE but if you have the room for them I think it will give you more than enough bass, but then again how do I know how much bass you like. By all accounts I have seen the competiive models from HSU and SVS are maybe a notch above the A2-300 but not equal to the cost differece IMHO as I have not heard the SVS or HSU's. I only paid $315 for mine, so they have gone up a little, but I think they are justifying some of this with a new "greener" type of MDF which I am probably wrong calling MDF because I guess technically it isn't. Then there's the finish, ok for me, but some find it unacceptable. I think that the A2-300 is one of the best < $400 subs out there. Their larger subs also get good reviews by some, but I'm not so sure about their value as they are a little pricey to me. YMMV
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  • rdb2001
    rdb2001 Posts: 791
    edited January 2009
    Thanks for the replies. I have 18 foot ceilings and it sucks the life out of the 2 subs i have now. I am thinking about the Epik valor or 2 ED a2-300. I have read nothing but good reviews about the ED and for 350 shipped to my door, I think that is hard to beat.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2009
    At over 5100cf I doubt you will notice a lot of improvement. You might if you put them on either side of LP. With 2 of then you are looking at $700. I have had multiple subs and they are a pain unless you stack them which is an option you should consider and put them directly behind LP.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • apphd
    apphd Posts: 1,514
    edited January 2009
    rdb2001 wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies. I have 18 foot ceilings and it sucks the life out of the 2 subs i have now. I am thinking about the Epik valor or 2 ED a2-300. I have read nothing but good reviews about the ED and for 350 shipped to my door, I think that is hard to beat.

    Wow, that makes bass a lot more expensive! I'm a little doubtful if 2 A2-300's would do it, but you could give them a call, give them room size and description and I think they would give you an honest opinion on what product they would recommend. I think they are small enough they want happy customers, not just a sale.
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  • rdb2001
    rdb2001 Posts: 791
    edited January 2009
    thsmith wrote: »
    At over 5100cf I doubt you will notice a lot of improvement. You might if you put them on either side of LP. With 2 of then you are looking at $700. I have had multiple subs and they are a pain unless you stack them which is an option you should consider and put them directly behind LP.

    Stacking is my next option, I couldnt stack my subs I have now. I want 2 Epik valors or knights but they have been out of stock since dec. Does anyone have an eta on EPIK. The subs I have do ok, but it doesnt fill the room like I want. Thanks for all the input.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2009
    rdb2001 wrote: »
    Stacking is my next option, I couldnt stack my subs I have now. I want 2 Epik valors or knights but they have been out of stock since dec. Does anyone have an eta on EPIK. The subs I have do ok, but it doesnt fill the room like I want. Thanks for all the input.

    No idea what Epiks plans are. I got tired of waiting for a response from them, I was interested in the Conquest. Ended up going with a SVS PB13U and never looked back.

    Might have better luck with a SVS PB13U when they have B stock available.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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