4 Ohm Advantages

Murray1
Murray1 Posts: 193
edited June 2009 in Speakers
Appears LSi family of speakers are 4 ohm. Since they require an additional amp to drive them efficiently, what is the advantage of 4 ohm. Are most competitor speakers also 4 ohm?
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    Welcome to Club Polk. I can't answer whether or not there is an advantage of 4 vs 8 ohms (I'm not sure there is-I think its just a design difference), but just so you know, the LSi's (at least the LSi9's) can dip below 2 ohms at certain frequencies. 4ohms is the nominal imedance rating. Actually all speakers no matter there nominal rating vary imedance at different frequencies if I understand it all correctly.

    EDIT:
    Here's a link to a chart on the LSi9. Look at Chart #4 for the impedance curve-its lowest at ~50Hz.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited June 2009
    hmm, I can't find my printed copy. But it appears that the whole site is down-perhaps it will be back. Maybe they forgot to renew the domain name.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited June 2009
    Well I found that they changed thier domain name, here is the link to the original page:
    http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/polk_lsi9.htm
    But it appears that the link is still coded to go to the old name.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited June 2009
    Murray1 wrote: »
    Appears LSi family of speakers are 4 ohm. Since they require an additional amp to drive them efficiently, what is the advantage of 4 ohm. Are most competitor speakers also 4 ohm?

    Very good question, I have Linn speakers and they are also 4ohms.
    I think that all Linn speakers are 4ohms.
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
  • thuffman03
    thuffman03 Posts: 1,325
    edited June 2009
    I am sure there is a good reason for this. I am not an EE or a speaker designer so I can only guess on what and why.

    Then again there might be no reason. It all might be a conspiracy for us to have to go out and buy higher end equipment that can handle the lower impediences.
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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited June 2009
    There is no "advantage" for speakers to run at 4 ohms vs 8 ohms. On the contrary, it is less stressful to the amplifier to run higher ohm rated speakers. It is what it is though, and if you want the sound that the Lsi's produce, be prepared to get an amp that is comfortable with a nominal impedence of 4 ohms.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited June 2009
    This should take you there.... (web archive to the rescue again)

    Michael


    Edit - 4 or 8 ohm is not a quality determination, simply an engineering decision based on drivers used and crossover design. (I do wonder if they design a speaker as 4 ohm at least in part so there is a better chance it will end up being driven by more than a cheap AVR though - The LSi's certainly benefit from a decent amp.....)
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    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2009
    Much of the problem today is that most tweeters are 4ohms, especially mid and high end models.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited June 2009
    Well, if your amp is capable, you get more watts out of the amp versus eight ohms.
  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited June 2009
    Face wrote: »
    Much of the problem today is that most tweeters are 4ohms, especially mid and high end models.


    This is true. Or conversely it could be stated that the biggest problem is that most receivers aren't 4 ohm stable:cool:
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2009
    wizzy wrote: »
    Well, if your amp is capable, you get more watts out of the amp versus eight ohms.

    Thank you. If you are stepping up to higher end audio you should have an amp capable of running 4ohms. I like 4ohms myself. The problem is with LSI's they are priced too low, and the idiots that sell them 9 times out of 10 have them setup wrong.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited June 2009
    McLoki wrote: »
    This should take you there.... (web archive to the rescue again)

    ...

    Sweet-I'll have to bookmark that archive site.

    For archive's sake of my own,

    Here is the Impedance Chart both linked to my photobucket and attached.
    LSi9-Impedance.gif

    LSi9-Impedance.gif
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