**Rock and Roll Reminiscing - CCCC**

joe6pak

City Boy. My favs are "Young Men Gone West" and "Dinner at the Ritz." These guys made a few others. AMG music guide rates them as soft rock. I never thought of them in that class.

Commander Cody, ( & his Lost Planet Airmen ) Probably best known for Hot Rod Lincoln. ( "My daddy said son your gonna drive me to drinking if you don't stop driving that hot rod lincoln." ) These guys play some very hot rockabilly/boogiewoogie. They were a real party band. I only have their best of album, titled "Too Much Fun." I am gonna get their "Live From Deep In The Heart of Texas." album someday.

CCR was already mentioned, but this is my all time fav music. John Fogerty was CCR. Those other guys were just along for the ride. Hey Tour2ma, do you have Cosmo's Factory on MFSL?

O.K. this is going way over the limit and is into country, but since Cash was mentioned I have to point out a real country/rock outlaw. David Allen Coe. He did some pretty good country stuff, but his **** albums titled "Nothing Sacred" & "Underground" are really off the wild side charts. No radio air play for this stuff. Not sold in stores. If I just put in the song titles for these, Justin & Micah would totally explode. They would be putting me in a category 100 times below the Hall of Shame. If you want offensive, obscene, dirty, nasty music, ( not me of course ) these two albums are worth the search.

joe

Tour2ma

Joe,
No Cosmo's here...
Country raunch... you intriguing, MF'er you...

F1nut

Mike,

Nice call on Commander Cody and "Hot Rod Lincoln" , damn good driving song.

Paul Connor

Just a short note on Johnny Cash. Bear in mind that he was at Sun Records in the 50's with the likes of Elvis, Jerry Lee and Carl Perkins. While today he would not be considered a R&R performer, he personally is a manifestation of what rock and roll represents. Specifically, his music embodies a strong sense of social consiousness with a mix of rebeliousness. (eg.Man in Black and The Ballad of Ira Hayes) Most true rock writers and musicians on some level are an imitation of Cash.

Chew on that!

shack

Originally posted by Paul Connor
Chew on that!

He may have been at Sun but he originally went to them wanting to sing Gospel . He was pure country at Sun and was never billed as anything but country.

Specifically, his music embodies a strong sense of social consiousness with a mix of rebeliousness.

This isn't limited to just Cash. You'll find this in country, jazz, blues, etc...

he personally is a manifestation of what rock and roll represents

So are Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings and Miles Davis...But it doesn't make their style of music R&R.

Most true rock writers and musicians on some level are an imitation of Cash

Way too broad of a statement. You can't have it both ways. If R&R is so broad in scope that Cash is included then it's scope is too large to make the above statement.

OK...Johnny had some songs that crossed over into the pop/rock spectrum. I don't think it was intentional. I think he may have had some influence in the R&R world (as have many others from all types of music - most rock is morphed from something else). His roots, his style, his point of references are all country.

I understand your point of view and I'm sure others agree with you, but I chewed on it and I still think Johnny Cash is Country Music - I'm not saying it is bad - It is just not R&R.

shack

One more thing...while I don't belive his style was R&R, the crossover popularity of Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson and others probably has led to the blurring of the lines between what is R&R and what is Country today. Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, Faith Hill, Lyle Lovett, Dixie Chicks, Kenny Chesney... all may be as close to Pop music as they are to Country.

Paul Connor

Very good points Shack. However, I do not claim that Cash's style in and of itself is rock and roll. I will stand on the statement that most modern American music (20th century) shares common roots. Bob Dylan, for example shares many of the same musical sensiblities as Cash and has changed styles continuously throughout his career,while Johnny Cash has remained closer to what I consider Gospel, Country and modern Folk music.

While there may be exceptions, I don't think we should look at rock and roll music separate and apart from other musical styles, especially as it relates to the canon of 20th century American music. As you stated above, many other styles of modern popular music share common threads. Perhaps all of them.

At times the lines do get blurry between musical styles. Consider the legacy of performers like Buck Owens. In the sixties he picked up a Fender and tranformed country music, borrowing from the rock and roll tradition. (Much to the dismay of country traditionalists) And into which category would we place the Eagles in the early 70's? Country? Rock? Country-Rock.

I agree with you. Cash is country. No argument there. But in my book, he rocks!

You don't have to chew on this one!

joe6pak

Paul & Shack.

I am still chewing on all that information. I will point this out about J. Cash. In one of his non **** rated songs, David Allen Coe gives Johnny Cash credit for helping David get out of prison. So Johnny was not only a country rocker, he was also a helper of down on their luck singers.

F1nut.

Yes good driving music. They did some good trucker songs and a lot of party music. Also a song that I believe was about horticulture, titled "Down to Seeds & Stems Again."

Tour2ma.

Thank you. There is more to come. I have some strange music stashed around this place. And just so I don't get to much of a cowboy image, I don't really care for country all that much. I do like some good western/Texas swing. Did anyone mention Asleep At The Wheel in the A thread?

Last but not least for this post.

John Cougar. Does he belong here or were you guys waiting for the M ( Mellencamp ) week? He is a sure fire rock & roll rebel. He can't be left out.

joe

dcarlson

You know, when I said Cash it was all about the way he lived the original badass lifestyle which started all of those other badass singers following in his footsteps over the years.

Now he's not looking so well and yet still releasing albums. It's all about the music. No Shania glitter, by the way I'm Canadian, and think Shania is crap music. To include Johnny Cash with her is disgusting.

He may sing Country, but he is Rock and Roll.


Derick.

F1nut

The Clash

I don't own any, the name just came into my head. Must be all this talk about Cash, definitely country and a bad-****. Feel free to add details about The Clash.

pensacola

Tracy Chapman Tracy Chapman, 1988

Chicago Chicago 17, 1984

Elvis Costello Painted From Memory—with Burt Bacharach, 1998
—(not rock, but a great pairing.)

and, not rock:

Chick Corea Polydor's "Compact Jazz" compilation series, 1987 (all tracks recorded '72-'76)
included: Captain Marvel, 500 Miles High, and Spain.

joe6pak

I almost forgot about this one. Captain Beyond. Their 1st was their best. It was titled Captain Beyond. This group was progresive hard rock/heavy metal. The lead singer was from Deep Purple, the lead guitar and the bass player were from Iron Butterfly, and the drummer was from Johnny Winter. This was a good album. I did not like the follow up, and never heard anything else by this group.

joe

Tour2ma

Originally posted by F1nut
The Clash
I don't own any, the name just came into my head. Must be all this talk about Cash, definitely country and a bad-****. Feel free to add details about The Clash.

Done… and gladly…

The Clash
London Calling – Vinyl double album (1979 CBS – E2 36328)
Sandista – Vinyl triple album (1980 CBS – E3X 37037)
Combat Rock – Vinyl (1982 CBS – FE 37689)
Super Black Market Clash – CD (1993 Sony/ Epic Legacy – EK 52191)
Wasn’t even looking for a way to get into the late 70’s punk movement, but when London Calling hit, I just couldn’t resist this accessible Punk for the baby boomer generation. Intelligent and intelligible lyrics, over good old guitars and drums, with only the odd harmonica line added. The big radio hit, “Train in Vein (stand by me)”, is not even listed in the play list, but it’s track 5, side 4. Remember very little of the rest of this issue, except I like it.
I was less impressed by Sandista, but Imean how much great material can a band crank out in two years. The Clash tried for five, but it didn’t work. Bit of a come back with Combat Rock. It has one very memorable track in “Should I Stay or Should I Go”, which still gets a fair amount of airplay today. Super Black Market Clash was a big disappointment; a classic “gather up all the stuff on the cutting room floor and make some money” effort. Some decent tracks are here, but none of the name making stuff.
This band burned hot and fast and out in a matter of years. It suffered the fate of many Punk bands; somewhere in their success the anger that made them great fades, or in this case, burns out. It is likely that a good compilation is out there now, but if not London Calling is the one to have.

Next up my first end of week laundry list…

Tour2ma

Wanted to list this separately ‘cause it includes one of my great personnal quests
Curved Air
2nd Album C-90 – circa ’71 (info at http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll )
Really fine, early 70’s progressive group akin to Renaissance. They briefly reunited in the 90’s.

I have been on a quest for their 1973 album Airplay for years. It includes the track, “Metamorphasis” on it.
IF YOU HAVE IT, PLEASE CONTACT ME.

EDIT: The album I am seeking is Air Cut... not Airplay...

Now onto the laundry list….

Tour2ma

A lot, in no particular order with a minimum of commentary, i.e., a new approach for me.

Sheryl Crow
Tuesday Night Music Club CD - 1993 A&M – “All I Wanna Do”, “Leaving Las Vegas”
Sheryl Crow CD – 1996 A&M – “Everyday is a Winding Road”, “If It Makes You Happy”
Good CD’s; good live performer…

Jim Croce
36 All-time Greatest Hits dbl CD – 1994 Entertainment Distributing – No need to list ‘em, you know ‘em, and most of 'em are here. Maybe the greatest storyteller of all, only Randy Neuman occurs to me to be close.

Ray Charles
20 Greatest Hits Vinyl – 1984 Suisa (W. Germany) – Again, no need to list tracks. One of the Great early Soul Rockers that our folks could appreciate as well..

Rosanne Cash
Seven Year Ache Vinyl – 1981 CBS - RECOMMENDED :cool:
Somewhere in the Stars Vinyl – 1982 CBS
I agree her Dad belongs here, but she even more so. Great crossover Country/Rock found here. Great voice, attitude…she’s sorta Country/Rock’s answer to Pat Benetar. I understand she’s still recording good stuff today.

Marshall Crenshaw – since my trade offer wasn’t accepted
Marshall Crenshaw Vinyl – 1982 Warner Bro’s
Field Day Vinyl – 1982 Warner Bro’s
No hits here, just some solid stuff from a relative unknown. Always viewed Marshall as a stopover on my way from Elvis Costello to Lyle Lovette.

Cold Blood
Cold Blood Vinyl – 1969 San Francisco – Always a guilty pleasure of mine, :roll eyes: I bought this album for the pic of the lead singer on the cover (yes, it’s a girl). Was pleased, but shocked to see it mentioned in an article not too long ago as “a great, but under appreciated gem of rock’s late 60’s horn revival”, or words to that effect. Kinda BS&T with a female lead vocalist. I still like it a lot.

The Dave Clark Five
Glad All Over “unbreakable” Vinyl – circa ’63 Epic Monaural/ LN 24093 – “Bits and Pieces”
…Return “unbreakable” Vinyl – circa ’64 Epic Monaural/ LN 24104 – “Can’t You See That She’s Mine”
“Unbreakable”… ha, more like unbendable. God-awful stuff from a member of the 60’s British invasion, that I once voted for over the Beatles in a radio battle of the bands. :eek:

Classics IV – it says on the cover “featuring Dennis Yost” –. Help you remember them???
Traces Stereo Vinyl – circa ’66 Liberty/ Imperial LP-12429 – “Traces”, “Everyday with You Girl”, “Sunny”
Fluff? Yeah, but it still sounds pretty good today when that’s your mood. :cool:

Bruce Cockburn – the “ck” is silent…
Stealing Fire Vinyl – 1984 A&M – “if I had a rocket launcher” got some FM airplay. May sound like it could be Troy D's theme song, but is actually a protest song...

Robert Cray
Strong Persuader Vinyl – 1986 Polygram – “Smoking Gun”, More Than I can Stand”
Good blues rock from a better than average guitar slinger.

Billy Cobham
Spectrum C-90 – 1973 Atlantic
Crosswinds C-90 – 1974 Wounded Bird/ Atlantic
These are two solid, early solo, progressive jazz-rock efforts from the former drummer for John McLoughlin’s (The) Mahavishnu Orchestra”. Cobham was sill recording in the 90’s

That wraps my C's up as best I can tell...

F1nut

Well, I did find a Crenshaw on vinyl, but you beat me to the punch.

Tour2ma

How do you like Marshall?

F1nut

I haven't listened to it in years and I don't remember what it sounded like. Maybe I'll drop in at the local hi-fi shop and give it a spin as I disposed of my TT awhile ago.

Tour2ma

No TT, huh?

I'll take all that nasty, old vinyl off your hands for $0.01/ lb....

F1nut

You know, I tried to sell them years ago and that's about what I was offered. I'll hold on to them, thanks anyway.

Tour2ma

OK, but you know that nasty, old mold can grow in the grooves...

If you want a C-90 sampler, just e-mail me your address.

joe6pak

Was Harry Chapin mentioned before? Its too late for me to go back and read all those posts. Good nite.

joe

Tour2ma

No, Joe he wasn't, please do so tomorrow.

Another great storyteller, probably even the one I was really searching for when I did the Croce write-up rather than Randy Neuman, although he's not a bad example either.

... think I'll work on compiling the lists a while tonite.

Paul Connor

Croce had some great songs.

BTW Tour. Do you ever sleep?

Tour2ma

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Paul Connor

Creedence Clearwater Revival. Boxed Set 1961-1972 (didn't know they had been together that long)

Just spent the day tearing out a wall and putting the trim up. Had a chance to listen to this start to finish and it is great. It starts out with a band called Tommy Fogerty and the Blue Velvets, moves to The Golliwogs and then to Creedence Clearwater Revival and the songs that made them great in the late 60's.

Recomended listening!

Tour2ma

OK, Shack added The Association to the "A's" and blamed George 'cause he listed The Four Seasons in the "F's". So now I'll blame Shack for:

The Cyrkle
Two big hits I can rmember, both sounded pretty much the same:
- "Red Rubber Ball" ("I think it's gonna be alright...Yeah the worst is over now... The moring sun is shining like a...)
- "Turn Down Day" ("It's a TDD... nothing on my mind... it's a TTD and I dig it")
Lyrics are from memory, rest isn't... it's from AMG:
"The Cyrkle didn't seem like much more than a two-hit wonder in 1966 when they charted with "Red Rubber Ball" and "Turn Down Day." Their pleasant, upbeat folk/pop/rock sound, coupled with the fact that they got to record two complete LPs, speaks volumes about how good music was in the years 1965-1967 as even second-tier groups like this were a delight to hear. Ironically, for a group remembered for just a pair of singles, the Cyrkle were considered a promising and choice signing, and were, to different degrees, wired into the management and creative circles surrounding the Beatles and Simon & Garfunkel."

Never heard "two-hit" wonder used before. It fits here. I think the other two groups mentioned above fared a little bit better.

Now I have another "B" to add... and this one's important...

george daniel

abmarsh wrote: »

I just wish Clapton would turn up the volume knob and let it rip again!

yeah,,I know,, but it's a good thread,, well,, Eric has turned up the volume and has been rocking.Anyone seen him in the last few years? I saw him back in Atlanta in the 90's and twice since then,,the last time with Doyle Bramhill and Susan Tedischi's husband Derrik Trucks,and Robert Cray,,2006 IIRC.

and yes,, Clapton is God

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