Wtf? Who's next!!!!!

obieone

$100,000,000,000,000....That is one hundred TRILLION dollars. And that is what we ACTUALLY owe, as of right now.
To give you an idea of how big that number is, it would take you 32,000 years to count(1,2,3) to 1 trillion.
I can't reference the source, but the guy was on Glen Beck last summer, and he was saying that the govt. only put's out the figures for each year, but that figure is how much we need to spend by the year 2050, with all the projected people retiring, public works that will be needed to be done, etc.

bobman1235

Lasareath wrote: »

How many different cars do we really need?

I need an A to B car that gets 100MPG, I don't need Zero to 60 in 4 seconds or a HUGE SUV that gets 12MPG for my 3 family members.

You're on a website that is all about excess in teh consumer market. There are a million things we don't NEED but like to have. No one NEEDS a car that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds, but we're a developed nation and it's a luxury. No one NEEDS speakers that cost 3000 dollars and are six feet tall, but ... same deal. Obviously the industries are completely unrelated but railing against one type of luxury while indulging fully in another is kinda silly.

rayslifecycle

Lasareath wrote: »

There are so many cars in this country, Do we really need a new model every year?

I think they can skip a few years.

Or the big three should be taken over by the government and make 5 different car models, all Plug-In Hybrids or complete electric.

USA Model 1: Super economy - Like the Smart
USA Model 2: 5 Passenger economy
USA Model 3: Mini Van Plug-in HYbrid
USA Model 4: Pickup Truck.
USA Model 5: Tractor Trailer

How many different cars do we really need?

I need an A to B car that gets 100MPG, I don't need Zero to 60 in 4 seconds or a HUGE SUV that gets 12MPG for my 3 family members.

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obieone

bobman1235 wrote: »

You're on a website that is all about excess in teh consumer market. There are a million things we don't NEED but like to have. No one NEEDS a car that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds, but we're a developed nation and it's a luxury. No one NEEDS speakers that cost 3000 dollars and are six feet tall, but ... same deal. Obviously the industries are completely unrelated but railing against one type of luxury while indulging fully in another is kinda silly.

+1. Las, you have TWO many SDA'a. You need to "spread the wealth around", and gimme a pr.:eek::D

madmax

obieone wrote: »

+1. Las, you have TWO many SDA'a. You need to "spread the wealth around", and gimme a pr.:eek::D

Once Obama is in office he will take all the extra SDA's from you guys who have more than one pair and re-distribute them to all who do not have a pair. Of course they will need amps too. If we all sell our $1000+ amps we can then take the procedes and buy everyone in the US little $25 SS amps to drive them. Then, everyone will have a set of SDA's and an amp but no one will be happy. :eek:
madmax

treitz3

obieone wrote: »

$100,000,000,000,000....That is one hundred TRILLION dollars. And that is what we ACTUALLY owe, as of right now.

The current debt clock is $10,611,406,901,127.40 as of 23 Dec 2008 at 03:18:41 PM GMT. Where did ya' get a hunder'd trillion from? :eek:

Jstas

treitz3 wrote: »

The current debt clock is $10,611,406,901,127.40 as of 23 Dec 2008 at 03:18:41 PM GMT. Where did ya' get a hunder'd trillion from? :eek:

He's pulling numbers out of his ****, just like everyone else.

brettw22

LOVE the fact that y'all want to blame Obama for having to figure out a way to pay for all of this that he didn't create.......Of COURSE it's all his fault........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Jstas

brettw22 wrote: »

LOVE the fact that y'all want to blame Obama for having to figure out a way to pay for all of this that he didn't create.......Of COURSE it's all his fault........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

This doesn't necessarily go on W either. The problems started farther back.

brettw22

But W seems to always be missing from these convo's considering the 180 he took the economy........(and no, you can't argue against that......even though I know you want to)

madmax

W acts like a democrat. Thats about the worst thing I can say about him.
madmax

GEBBY44

Keiko wrote: »

I still wanna know who's gunna bail US out when all this is said and done? We're the ones paying for this BS. :mad:

The Chinese, once they realize how to harness all the potential in all those farmers and peasants. We'll come at em with guns and they'll come at us with pitchforks and still come out on top. We're the ones that have been donkey punched by this bailout program.

bobman1235

GEBBY44 wrote: »

The Chinese, once they realize how to harness all the potential in all those farmers and peasants. We'll come at em with guns and they'll come at us with pitchforks and still come out on top. We're the ones that have been donkey punched by this bailout program.

China has nothing to gain by toppling the US, no matter what crazy scenarios you have concocted. Their economy depends pretty heavily on ours.

GEBBY44

Lasareath wrote: »

There are so many cars in this country, Do we really need a new model every year?

I think they can skip a few years.

Or the big three should be taken over by the government and make 5 different car models, all Plug-In Hybrids or complete electric.

USA Model 1: Super economy - Like the Smart
USA Model 2: 5 Passenger economy
USA Model 3: Mini Van Plug-in HYbrid
USA Model 4: Pickup Truck.
USA Model 5: Tractor Trailer

How many different cars do we really need?

I need an A to B car that gets 100MPG, I don't need Zero to 60 in 4 seconds or a HUGE SUV that gets 12MPG for my 3 family members.

Exactlyyyy. I'm completely with ya.

But as long as there are CEO's and athletes getting paid out the wazoo, there will be a demand for that suave, 0-60 in 4 seconds car. They gotta have their Ferraris and Bentleys. It's ingrained in the upper class nature and that's gonna be really hard to shake.

bobman1235

GEBBY44 wrote: »

Exactlyyyy. I'm completely with ya.

But as long as there are CEO's and athletes getting paid out the wazoo, there will be a demand for that suave, 0-60 in 4 seconds car. They gotta have their Ferraris and Bentleys. It's ingrained in the upper class nature and that's gonna be really hard to shake.

I know, when will the American car companies stop making Ferraris and Bentleys.

Jstas

brettw22 wrote: »

But W seems to always be missing from these convo's considering the 180 he took the economy........(and no, you can't argue against that......even though I know you want to)

I'm through arguing. I'm just going to wait a few years until history takes a good look at what happened and shows where the real problems started. Then I will take my opportunity to say "I told you so". There are too many star-crossed democrats still in love with Obama (who is on his Hawaiian "honeymoon" right now buying beer for reporters covering his "working vacation") to be able to get through their thick heads about where the real issues lie.

A president does not have enough legislative power to be able to affect an economy as big as this one in the way it has been brought to its knees. If you think it does then go back to school and take an economics class.

brettw22

He doesn't even have 'the job' yet so he can take a vacation without any sort of scrutiny.......good lord......

You and your 'told you so' moments.......you know I don't care if you think you're right........lol........just have a Merry Christmas damnit and shut it......(I say that with utter kindness in my voice)

BigMac

Here are a few places where it is going and where its been.

http://www.ustreas.gov/initiatives/eesa/

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/st_BANKMONEY_20081027.html

http://www.fms.treas.gov/dts/

treitz3

brettw22 wrote: »

LOVE the fact that y'all want to blame Obama for having to figure out a way to pay for all of this that he didn't create.......Of COURSE it's all his fault........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Where did you read a post that blamed Obama for anything Brett?

Jstas

brettw22 wrote: »

He doesn't even have 'the job' yet so he can take a vacation without any sort of scrutiny.......good lord......

You and your 'told you so' moments.......you know I don't care if you think you're right........lol........just have a Merry Christmas damnit and shut it......(I say that with utter kindness in my voice)

My comments were not directed in that vein. I just think it's funny that he is taking a "working vacation" but I'm not really sure what he's doing except the equivalent of picking his team for dodgeball.

fossy

can any one else see a big tax increase coming ???

or is it just me ??:D:D:D

Jstas

It's just you.

madmax

fossy wrote: »

can any one else see a big tax increase coming ???

or is it just me ??:D:D:D

There is no way we could not have a HUGE tax hike in the next few years. Consider the amount we will go into debt and the interest on that money plus the dollar being worth half (because we printed twice as much and you are looking at paying at least 8 times more that we are currently in debt. If you have to pay tax when you remove your retirement money you are in big trouble.

fatchowmein

Wouldn't an increase be dependent on the revenue generated by taxation of our economy? In other words, if we're doing well (high GDP or was it GNP?) and there's plenty of tax money to pay down the deficit in a timely manner than there may not be an increase but this will require the rest of the world to be devastated and needing to import large quantities of American goods and services. I'm just not sure what we have left to export now that investment banking went down the toilet. So, yes, I see heavy taxation down the road.

obieone

Lasareath wrote: »

OB1,

I own two pairs of SDA's

(1) Pair of SRS 1.2TL's & (1) Pair of SRS 2's

BTW, It's TOO, not TWO

Las

Thanks Las, I spelled it that way on purpose....
To be EMPHATIC!:eek::rolleyes:

Toxis

I'm going to lobby for the audio industry to get a kick start. We'll call it the "Stop buying HTiB's and get into real speakers" campaign. We'll put it towards advertising and a push to get HTiB's off the streets where our kids will grow up not understanding what a good set of speakers or headphones sound like. Remember, they're the future. Dads, get some cans on them kids!

reeltrouble1

you young ones are going to pay me everything I have coming, to bad, its our revenge for babying your pampered asses, and by the way I plan to live a long long long time..............

RT1

obieone

You baby boomers better leave SOMETHING behind. I ain't got NO problem GRAVE ROBBING!!

jflail2

"We've lent some of it. We've not lent some of it. We've not given any accounting of, 'Here's how we're doing it,'" said Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money. "We have not disclosed that to the public. We're declining to."

Ahh, makes perfect sense. We'll just let $25B "float" around the books for a while...Wouldn't common sense dictate that the government require these banks (and anyone else who gets a free ride) to track EXACTLY how they are spending this money??

And since it is tax payer dollars floating that $25B, I personally would like to know how and where my $'s are being invested/wasted/etc. The money didn't come out of thin air, so it sure shouldn't disappear into thin air...

obieone

jflail2 wrote: »

"We've lent some of it. We've not lent some of it. We've not given any accounting of, 'Here's how we're doing it,'" said Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money. "We have not disclosed that to the public. We're declining to."

Ahh, makes perfect sense. We'll just let $25B "float" around the books for a while...Wouldn't common sense dictate that the government require these banks (and anyone else who gets a free ride) to track EXACTLY how they are spending this money??

And since it is tax payer dollars floating that $25B, I personally would like to know how and where my $'s are being invested/wasted/etc. The money didn't come out of thin air, so it sure shouldn't disappear into thin air...

Fox Business News is suing the Treasury Dept. for that info., under the "Freedom of Information Act"

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0632933

I hope they get SOME results, before it's too late. It's nice to see ONE media outlet that still has a 'SET'!