I found this humorous....

brettw22
brettw22 Posts: 7,624
edited December 2008 in The Clubhouse
So I'm buying a few cables for my setup (albeit temporary) and wanted to find out what the gauge wire was for a somewhat inexpensive Belkin sub cable and asked their Tech Support what gauge their cable was and this was their reply:
You inquired about the gauge size for part #AV50500. According to our Product Management Team:
The AV50500 does not use a single gauge wire, but uses hybrid-conductor technology - a unique multi-gauge, hybrid-conductor design, which combines various conductor types and sizes based on their areas of best performance, to produce a cable that excels in every frequency range. Hybrid-conductor technology uses three distinctly different conductor types to handle the bass, midrange, and high frequencies. Combining them together in the proper ratios yields a cable that is superior throughout the audio range, giving a balanced, full-range response so you20can hear every detail, lyric, and dialog as the creators of the audio content intended.
Color me confused.......I thought we were talking about a subwoofer cable, so I fired this back:
The only issue I have with that response per se is that we're talking about a Subwoofer cable, so I don't know what the point is in this cable even mentioning the ability to do ANYthing with midrange and high frequencies.

Can you at least get them to give me an approximation of the gauge size of the cable, hybrid or not?
To which their entire response was:
This subwoofer cable is 18AWG.

Gotta love how companies want to talk up their product to a useless degree......lol........
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited December 2008
    Even if we are talking about speaker cables, how do the wires know which frequency signal goes to which conductors? I don't know that there is a tiny traffic cop directing frequencies at the the amp. binding post? :)
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,705
    edited December 2008
    polkatese wrote: »
    Even if we are talking about speaker cables, how do the wires know which frequency signal goes to which conductors? I don't know that there is a tiny traffic cop directing frequencies at the the amp. binding post? :)

    Maxwell's Demon, obviously :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited December 2008
    polkatese wrote: »
    Even if we are talking about speaker cables, how do the wires know which frequency signal goes to which conductors? I don't know that there is a tiny traffic cop directing frequencies at the the amp. binding post? :)

    What makes their cable special is that they don't use a regular traffic cop...

    traffic_cop.jpg
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited December 2008
    brettw22 wrote: »
    So I'm buying a few cables for my setup (albeit temporary) and wanted to find out what the gauge wire was for a somewhat inexpensive Belkin sub cable and asked their Tech Support what gauge their cable was and this was their reply:
    Color me confused.......I thought we were talking about a subwoofer cable, so I fired this back: To which their entire response was:

    Gotta love how companies want to talk up their product to a useless degree......lol........

    Just keep repeating to yourself "cables matter" and it will all seem like it makes sense!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,987
    edited December 2008
    Gotta love the short second reply.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited December 2008
    Until someone finds Tesla's notes on this subject, I'm not drinking the KOOLAID!
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited December 2008
    Well at least you'll know that your subwoofer will be getting all of the high frequencies it needs...:p
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited December 2008
    If the individual strands are coated (hyperlitz) the signal travels on the outside of each strand. I can see this making a difference but unsure what the difference is. Standard hyperlitz cable (same size strands, each coated) does sound different than solid core or stranded. Seems silly for a subwoofer though.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited December 2008
    LOL....sounds like some of my wife's answers when the question just requires a simple 'yes' or 'no'. :D
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    Sounds like Denon Link cable marketing. Perhaps they got fired and Belkin hired them. ;)
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited December 2008
    All of mine are hand built by Tibeten Monks made from the hyper-conductive **** hair of free range yaks....Just ask Tom(treitz) how they sound...let the cable debate rage on!!!!!
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited December 2008
    lightman1 wrote: »
    All of mine are hand built by Tibeten Monks made from the hyper-conductive **** hair of free range yaks....Just ask Tom(treitz) how they sound...let the cable debate rage on!!!!!

    Those must be some expensive cables. Everyone knows that free range Yak scotum hair is the single most conductive material in the world. I need to check these out sometime.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited December 2008
    Ya gotta admit, some cable companies make their product sound the be all end all in the f*cked up world of audio.....
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited December 2008
    brettw22 wrote: »
    So I'm buying a few cables for my setup (albeit temporary) and wanted to find out what the gauge wire was for a somewhat inexpensive Belkin sub cable and asked their Tech Support what gauge their cable was and this was their reply:
    Color me confused.......I thought we were talking about a subwoofer cable, so I fired this back: To which their entire response was:

    Gotta love how companies want to talk up their product to a useless degree......lol........

    Did you piss yourself laughing, Brett?
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited December 2008
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Ya gotta admit, some cable companies make their product sound the be all end all in the f*cked up world of audio.....

    Very true...according to some of these companies you need to spend more on a pair of 6 foot speaker wires than you do on your pair of speakers. Something there doesn't quite add up right to me...lol
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited December 2008
    I find it funnier that the sub cable is only 18awg. I believe the smallest gauge of speaker wire, in use, in my home is 12awg.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    ND13 wrote: »
    I find it funnier that the sub cable is only 18awg. I believe the smallest gauge of speaker wire, in use, in my home is 12awg.

    Well you do have to figure that the signal going to the sub is line level and not amplified like it would be going to speakers. 18awg is likely par for the course if not heavier than usual; right?
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  • Rivrrat
    Rivrrat Posts: 2,101
    edited December 2008
    ND13 wrote: »
    I find it funnier that the sub cable is only 18awg. I believe the smallest gauge of speaker wire, in use, in my home is 12awg.

    Same here......Until you get to my sub cable....RG6 coax.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    Rivrrat wrote: »
    Same here......Until you get to my sub cable....RG6 coax.

    Pretty sure RG6 is 18awg. ;)
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,678
    edited December 2008
    Cables/wires ? Bah humbug ! Real men use waveguide.
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited December 2008
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    LOL....sounds like some of my wife's answers when the question just requires a simple 'yes' or 'no'. :D

    OMG! I laughed out loud when I read your reply. I can agree totally with you on this.

    Me, Honey did you get gas for the car?

    Wife, well I decided to go to the store and pick up something for my mom, then I went over to my sisters and helped her with Christmas decorations, then I got a call from Lisa and she wanted to know what she should get for her hubby and I said I would ask you.

    Me, So did you get gas for the car.

    Wife, Why don't you ever listen to me? What are you in a hurry and you can't talk to me once in a while.

    Me, Forget it.

    Wife, Forget what? I told you I got gas.

    Me, ??????? Ugh!!!!
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    Joe08867 wrote: »
    OMG! I laughed out loud when I read your reply. I can agree totally with you on this.

    Me, Honey did you get gas for the car?

    Wife, well I decided to go to the store and pick up something for my mom, then I went over to my sisters and helped her with Christmas decorations, then I got a call from Lisa and she wanted to know what she should get for her hubby and I said I would ask you.

    Me, So did you get gas for the car.

    Wife, Why don't you ever listen to me? What are you in a hurry and you can't talk to me once in a while.

    Me, Forget it.

    Wife, Forget what? I told you I got gas.

    Me, ??????? Ugh!!!!

    You mean you didn't hear the thought waves she was sending your way?
    ;):D
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  • Rivrrat
    Rivrrat Posts: 2,101
    edited December 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    Pretty sure RG6 is 18awg. ;)

    That was kind of my point. I'm betting quite a few around here use rg6 coax for their sub cable.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited December 2008
    Rivrrat wrote: »
    That was kind of my point. I'm betting quite a few around here use rg6 coax for their sub cable.

    That's what I use. I've never had any problems with it. Only cost me about 10 bucks for 15 feet of it too.
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