Is it real or fake?
Serendipity
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Hi,
A while back when I performed at Carnegie Hall I learned from the stage technician that there were actually four Steinway pianos, one of them is the "real deal" and the three others are of lesser value. So if someone were to attempt to steal the piano, they'd only have a 25% chance of getting the right one.
I was thinking about this today because it was brought up at a dinner and somebody mentioned the piano's value and how it was donated to Carnegie Hall.
So I'm wondering - if this is standard practice in Carnegie Hall, would other things of high value be hidden too? Like if the Mona Lisa in the Louvre weren't the real painting and you were only looking at a copy? I wonder if it's a fake too?
Just wondering...
A while back when I performed at Carnegie Hall I learned from the stage technician that there were actually four Steinway pianos, one of them is the "real deal" and the three others are of lesser value. So if someone were to attempt to steal the piano, they'd only have a 25% chance of getting the right one.
I was thinking about this today because it was brought up at a dinner and somebody mentioned the piano's value and how it was donated to Carnegie Hall.
So I'm wondering - if this is standard practice in Carnegie Hall, would other things of high value be hidden too? Like if the Mona Lisa in the Louvre weren't the real painting and you were only looking at a copy? I wonder if it's a fake too?
Just wondering...
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as i am ignorant on pianos.. whats a steinway run?
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as i am ignorant on pianos.. whats a steinway run?
The ones at Carnegie Hall?
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The ones at Carnegie Hall?
More than a Ferrari or Lamborghini.George Grand wrote: »
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From just a quick google search, the most expensive one I found was only $150,000.George Grand wrote: »
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audiobliss wrote: »From just a quick google search, the most expensive one I found was only $150,000.
First link in google:
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But that's a 120 year old, extremely sprused up grand piano. Y'all aren't playing on those at Carnegie Hall, and nor can that be indicative of the average price for a Steinway.George Grand wrote: »
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audiobliss wrote: »But that's a 120 year old, extremely sprused up grand piano. Y'all aren't playing on those at Carnegie Hall, and nor can that be indicative of the average price for a Steinway.
More than $150k is what I am told.polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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right on for playing carnegie anyways man.. thats pretty cool
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right on for playing carnegie anyways man.. thats pretty cool
Thanks!
BTW, if you ever want to hear good room acoustics, Carnegie Hall is the place to be.polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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I use to work for Richmond piano and Steinways were top of the line (I moved them and helped rebuild as well). Older turn of the century Steinways were highly sought after. Of course the concert grands go for alot more......especially the 9 footers. Steinways have gone for over $500,000.000 on numerous occasions and the most expensive went for $675,000.000. There is currently a Bösendorfer that is going for 1.2 million and it is brand new. Of course there is always the "NAD" of grand pianos......Mason and Hamlin. They weigh so much that when I moved them it feels like they were going to break me in half; I would rather move 3 Steinways up a staircase anyday rather than a M&H. The PTG was in town a few years ago and I was contracted out to move a Fazioli that was worth over $200,000.00. Nice piano and it sounded beautiful. Thank goodness I only had to move it from the truck onto the conference floor for demo. That thing was almost 10'.
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Personally I prefer the the Grand Imperial 290 Bosendorfer.........HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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Dennis Gardner wrote: »Personally I prefer the the Grand Imperial 290 Bosendorfer.........
Now thats a nice piano
On another note, I heard a Yamaha today and the first thing I thought of was "man that is bright!" I guess their pianos are like their receivers - very bright sounding.polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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Moved a baby grand. Once. There a company that does it exclusively, and has a cool name -here-Ignorance is strength -
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SKsolutions wrote: »Moved a baby grand. Once. There a company that does it exclusively, and has a cool name -here
That company is crazy expensive, i know someone that used them. They do it right though....you get what you pay for and for something that isn't replaceable, it's worth it. -
If you wanted to hear good acoustics, Carnegie Hall was the place, BEFORE they screwed up said acoustics.
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BaggedLancer wrote: »That company is crazy expensive, i know someone that used them. They do it right though....you get what you pay for and for something that isn't replaceable, it's worth it.
People think that moving a grand piano is difficult. The only difficult part of the move is up a staircase or the entry steps. The rest is finesse and being careful not to knick anything. Our rates depended on the size but the average for moving a baby grand up to 7 footers was around $250.00-$275.00 an hour. Time started once we left the store till the time we returned. Average bill was around the 4-5 hundred range. A small price to pay for moving an heirloom or something that costs in excess of $20,000.00.
I think the most difficult moves I ever had was on two different occasions. The pianos had to be moved up a spiral staircase. Only other way to get the pianos where the homeowner wanted was to take out a window and part of the wall. So up the spiral staircase it went. I can honestly say I was sore the next day after a move like that. For those type of moves it takes 3-4 but for any other move it is only a two person job. Well, the 9 footers we would send 3 guys but one was just basically there for support. -
People think that moving a grand piano is difficult. The only difficult part of the move is up a staircase or the entry steps. The rest is finesse and being careful not to knick anything. Our rates depended on the size but the average for moving a baby grand up to 7 footers was around $250.00-$275.00 an hour. Time started once we left the store till the time we returned. Average bill was around the 4-5 hundred range. A small price to pay for moving an heirloom or something that costs in excess of $20,000.00.
Well worth it. It's quite easy to scratch a piano going through a narrow doorway or staircase, so the 4-500 is worth it.polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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George Grand wrote: »If you wanted to hear good acoustics, Carnegie Hall was the place, BEFORE they screwed up said acoustics.
Not trying to argue here, but why??
The day I performed I felt something so magical that nothing could explain - it was like I was in a dream.
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Some of those old pianos are a bear to move. My mother had a Chicago
upright grand piano that had been in the family for 50 years.
It was from about 1900. That needed about eight guys to slide it
off the trunk. And that was off a truck to a porch, truck height with
no inclines. I don't even want to know how they got it out of my
grandmother's place. The sound of it was very much different than those
cheapies that they have at schools. My sisters learned how to play on that
piano. I elected to play football instead!"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
sucks2beme wrote: »The sound of it was very much different than those cheapies that they have at schools.
I have one of those at home and I'd take a Steinway over it any day. But they are good for schools and churches which buy a lot of pianos in bulk.polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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I have one of those at home and I'd take a Steinway over it any day. But they are good for schools and churches which buy a lot of pianos in bulk.
And a couple of students can roll it around. A modern house's lighter floor
contruction wouldn't hold one like my mom had. It's like the difference between
a good instrument and a cheap student version. The sound is
so much fuller. I remember my sister getting a clarinet that cost as
much as a new car. She went on to play it professionally. Sadly enough, I never
could master an instrument. She could play almost anything she picked up.
Guitar, clarinet, flute,and piano(no she couldn't "pick" that up, smartasses!).
My mom ended up with one of those modern organs when she got older.
She also used to fill in at her church on one of those classic honking
pipe organs. There's a sound you'll never forget."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Good instrument or not -
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In the 70's or 80's, somebody got a hair up their butt about being able to feel or hear the rumble of the nearby subway at Carnegie Hall. They re-modeled the place somewhat. It was pretty much agreed upon that whatever rumble the subway (real or perceived) may have presented, it was better than the results of the re-model.
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George Grand wrote: »In the 70's or 80's, somebody got a hair up their butt about being able to feel or hear the rumble of the nearby subway at Carnegie Hall. They re-modeled the place somewhat. It was pretty much agreed upon that whatever rumble the subway (real or perceived) may have presented, it was better than the results of the re-model.
I wasn't around in the 70's or 80's so I don't know what the place sounded like before the remodel.
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The Mothers, 1971. Best band and show I ever saw. Sandwiched in between two other concerts that I attended, one of which would go on to become an album (Fillmore East June/1971) and the other at Stonybrook U. on The Island. The other two shows were great, but sonically not even close. Only about 3 rows back, dead center, I will NEVER forget the way Aynsley Dunbar's drums sounded in that hall. Plus, as a super bonus, the accapella group The Persuasions were the warm-up act. Those guys voices in that hall. Wow!
I saw a few other shows there after The Mothers and before the re-model. Stanley Turrentine, Bobbi Humphrey, Milt Jackson if nothing else. -
Staller Center?
I was just there for the Wind Ensemble.polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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