Why an 80 gig PS3?

cheddar

BIZILL wrote: »

to be certain, i did not call the console a piece of sh**. i called the parent company one.;)

yeah, we're all friends. but will you just let me know if you are on sony's payroll or not. thank you. point being you come to playstation's aid when in crisis. like its body guard or what not. surely even you can agree it really sucks hard that sony is offering LESS of a machine, a few years after its introduction...

Yes, I've said it sucks for people who want the convenience of BC on one box. But SACD doesn't really seem like it belongs on a game console to begin with. And if it cuts their production costs, why all the hate there? Sony doesn't even include SACD on all of their dedicated DVD players.

I've already said I'm not on their payroll and was surprised that you'd try and bring it up again since we've already talked about this before. I've been pretty vocal of late saying to people NOT to buy any of the current production premium bundles and whatnot 'cause if the hard drive is the only difference, then why not do an upgrade yourself, get a larger drive, and have it be cheaper. I would imagine that undercutting their premium bundles is not part of the sony marketing line...

AsSiMiLaTeD

And I was wondering the same thing as BIZILL in regards to your employment at Sony - although I'm not making a judgment on that, it's good to see people support their companies

AsSiMiLaTeD

I don't necessarily agree with the statement that SACD doesn't belong on a game console. Actually, I do mostly agree with it, but would alter it somewhat:

SACD doesn't belong on a game console, and neither does something like Blu Ray.

if you're going to put Blu Ray on a console though, then I say it makes AS MUCH sense to include SACD as it does Blu Ray.

bobman1235

Sony doesn't market the PS3 as a "game console", they market it as an entertainment console. They tout the BluRay capabilities and media center almost as much as the gaming. So no, SACD doesn't belong on a gaming console, but the PS3 has been more than a gaming console from its inception.

MikeC78

I'd have to agree with the last two statements. Sony started to cut features to bring their cost down and start to regain on all the money they've been losing on the console itself. Don't know why there is a justification of why we dont need it, it was there to begin with, why take it away?

Anyway, I got lucky and bought the original 60g model that does everything when it first came out. I also recently purchased the 80g MGS4 pack for the kids system which is the last newer system that emulates most PS2/PS1 games. Haven't even tried SACD with the new one, don't know if it reads them or not?

cheddar

Mike,

The MGS4 system should still do SACD. It's the last of the 'old' 80GB models they released. And as I've said, all the models until the 40GB did some sort of backwards compatibility and SACD. Since then it's just been the 40GB and the 40GB with an 80GB or soon to be released 160GB drive. So they've really cut it down to just one model with a variation in hard drive size since the MGS4 bundle. You got the last of the 'loaded' ones.

To everyone else, you all seem to have a lot to complain about...carry on...:cool:

BIZILL

cheddar wrote: »

To everyone else, you all seem to have a lot to complain about...carry on...:cool:

:cool: damnit sony. couldn't you have provided an infrared receiver to cater to your customer base's needs? i'm talking universal remotes here, baby!:mad::p:cool::cool:

xsmi

BIZILL wrote: »

:cool: damnit sony. couldn't you have provided an infrared receiver to cater to your customer base's needs? i'm talking universal remotes here, baby!:mad::p:cool::cool:

Now THAT is my one complaint!

Willow

I bought a 40g model, the only thing I wish it had was more USB inputs , it only has 2 so when playing Rockband I don't have enough inputs, yes I can buy a USB hub/splitter. It also does not have a SD card reader from what I heard. I will be upgrading the HD soon but am in no rush to do so.

MikeC78

The 40g model was pretty much bare bones. If you stepped up to the 60g you would of had the card reader and the whole nine yards.

AsSiMiLaTeD

There are obviously worse things in the world to be worried about, but the exclusion of the standard IR remote capability is just dumb. It's Sony, but it's dumb. Bluetooth is fine, but hows about making something that works with everything else? Ah, but then people wouldn't have to buy the Sony remote...

bobman1235

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

There are obviously worse things in the world to be worried about, but the exclusion of the standard IR remote capability is just dumb. It's Sony, but it's dumb. Bluetooth is fine, but hows about making something that works with everything else? Ah, but then people wouldn't have to buy the Sony remote...

Ding ding ding. The exact reason I can't stand Sony. They alwys make as many things as possible proprietary to rape their customers for every last dime.

cheddar

Gotta admit the remote is annoying. All they would have to do is enable power to the usb ports in standby and all the IR dongles would work with universal remotes. Also, my pet gripe with Sony would be that they don't upgrade the hdmi 1.3 chip to enable lossless bitstreaming for people who want to decode lossless at the AVR instead of in the player. The 360 got some nice HARDWARE upgrades like HDMI from component and a limited but functional HD-DVD add-on as they were dropping prices. Probably speaks to how expensive it was to produce the original ps3 in the first place and how much money they had to lose on each console. Good for people who scored the fully loaded ones, though.

But one good thing is that they didn't make the HDD proprietary. As a media center, it would really annoy me if I had to buy a Sony HDD from a limited selection just to store all my movies and stuff.

...also would have been nice to include analog outs...make it more rack friendly by not having it be wave shaped...put in a Reon chip for upconversion...add DVD-Audio, not just SACD which is Sony's own high-resolution audio format...have the internet part accept standard web browsers and plug-ins...mabey include some secondary processor so that the main doesn't always have to do duty when playing media files so they can sleep the fan...there were always rumors that Sony would make a $1000-$2000 high end media model...wonder what happened to it?

avelanchefan

bobman1235 wrote: »

Ding ding ding. The exact reason I can't stand Sony. They alwys make as many things as possible proprietary to rape their customers for every last dime.

They all Do it, it is not just Sony.

But I have to agree having a BR remote is pretty lame. At least the Logitechs work with the 360's. (And any other third party remote)

What is really pissing me off about the ps3 is lack of third party support for a good controller. Both of my controllers are basically busted because of COD4, by pressing the left stick to run has made both remotes move randomly now at all times.

I played 40 more hours on the 360 for COD4 and have not had a single issue with the controller (over 60 hours total). But less than 24 hours on the ps3, and I break two.

bobman1235

avelanchefan wrote: »

They all Do it, it is not just Sony.

True enough that many do similar things, but Sony has a history of standing out in the crowd.

Creating and requiring memory stick on their products when there was already a pre-established standard is the most obvious example. You buy a product that requires external storage (digital camera, etc) from almost any company, and it supports SD.... but not SONY!

mutelight

You want to talk about proprietary? What about the incredibly over priced HDDs for the 360 or the $100 wifi adapter. Also proprietary headsets. $50 for a wireless headset and $20 for a headset which couldn't cost more then a dollar or two to make. Then there is the $50 HDMI cable with optical adapter since they didn't leave enough room for HDMI and optical? All companies do stuff like that, the 360 is one of the worst.

BIZILL

bobman1235 wrote: »

True enough that many do similar things, but Sony has a history of standing out in the crowd.

Creating and requiring memory stick on their products when there was already a pre-established standard is the most obvious example. You buy a product that requires external storage (digital camera, etc) from almost any company, and it supports SD.... but not SONY!

damn them memory sticks, yo. i just chose a canon high-def camcorder that records onto flash memory over the sony that uses their own brand of flash memory, the "memory stick" because sdhc cards cost waaay less than a comperable size sony memory stick.

BIZILL

mutelight wrote: »

You want to talk about proprietary? What about the incredibly over priced HDDs for the 360 or the $100 wifi adapter. Also proprietary headsets. $50 for a wireless headset and $20 for a headset which couldn't cost more then a dollar or two to make. Then there is the $50 HDMI cable with optical adapter since they didn't leave enough room for HDMI and optical? All companies do stuff like that, the 360 is one of the worst.

agreed. xbox is guilty of the same. but nothing proprietary to their xbox or 360 effects other types of electronics as badly as i feel the "memory stick" does with sony. hell, at least i can use my harmony to control my 360. i had to purchase a $75 (shipped) device that utilized blutooth to control my ps3 with my harmony. and even THAT unit was adversely affected by a ps3 update.

look, i've said it before and i'll say it again, i love BOTH my 360 AND my ps3. but the micro$oft product doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth compared to the sony.

BeRad

BIZILL wrote: »

i had to purchase a $75 (shipped) device that utilized blutooth to control my ps3 with my harmony. and even THAT unit was adversely affected by a ps3 update.

Out of curiosity, which device did you purchase? I have the IR2BT and the only function that doesn't work is powering the unit on (not that it matters since it turns on when inserting the disc). But they were offering (and will be again soon) free updates to any customer who had the PS update disable affect the function. The support they offer is outstanding.

And now for something that nobody should really care about or take to heart, my two cents:

All the complaints people seem to have about Sony are just, but they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't making money. If they can make more money off 8 people (while pissing off 2) rather than less money off 10, all the more power to them. Better to generate more revenue with fewer customers: It all comes down to the bottom line. The same holds true with Microsoft (and any other business for that matter). If I like or desire the product, I will buy it regardless of what it comes with, what it doesn't, if it was made in a sweat-shop, etc...

My personal tastes bring me to all three console systems. Wii for fun (and while hammered), Xbox for multiplayer, and PS3 for blu-ray and single player only games. I (as well as the majority of gamers I know personally) have no use for backwards compatibility as the old games simply pale in comparison to the newer games and we get sick of them or have sold them all off already (except NHL 05 for the FreeForAll mode). Out with the old, in with the new. Granted, BC can be a nice feature, but one that is probably only utilized by a quarter of the people who have a capable system anyways. Overall, I have complaints with every system I own. The same goes for my car, my TV, my cell phone, my mother, my government (pretty much everything in my life except my Polk speakers).

I hope the day I can have it all is the day I die because everything else in life will be intolerable by comparison.

BIZILL

BeRad wrote: »

Out of curiosity, which device did you purchase? I have the IR2BT and the only function that doesn't work is powering the unit on (not that it matters since it turns on when inserting the disc). But they were offering (and will be again soon) free updates to any customer who had the PS update disable affect the function. The support they offer is outstanding.

i too have the ir2bt. i've been too lazy to ship it back for the update, though.:p

cheddar

BeRad wrote: »

All the complaints people seem to have about Sony are just, but they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't making money. If they can make more money off 8 people (while pissing off 2) rather than less money off 10, all the more power to them. Better to generate more revenue with fewer customers: It all comes down to the bottom line. The same holds true with Microsoft (and any other business for that matter). If I like or desire the product, I will buy it regardless of what it comes with, what it doesn't, if it was made in a sweat-shop, etc...

Agreed. Campy graphics, bluetooth remotes, or the red ring of death. Seems like somebody somewhere is going to be pissed off the product released isn't perfect for them. Vote with your dollars. And if the company still makes money...more power to them whether it be Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo. Like others on here, I've found I still enjoy all three for different purposes regardless of their imperfections. No console would meet all my gaming needs. So I'm happy to have the choice and variety in the current generation.

BeRad

BIZILL wrote: »

i too have the ir2bt. i've been too lazy to ship it back for the update, though.:p

Keep an eye out on the forums for when they will be doing updates again. I think they will only offer the update for free one more time.

Whoa, Looks like they are offering it right now.

BIZILL

damn my lazy, procrastinating **** and its inability to get on the ball. NO! NO PUN INTENDED!

steveducie

so what most of you are saying is , since its possible to upgrade yourself ,there really is no reason to buy anything over 40gb as far as the PS3 is concerned ? especially since its not BC ?

cheddar

Until they come up with a bigger difference between the models than hard drive space, there's no reason to buy the larger capacity models. Do it yourself and get a bigger drive for less money. Core functionality such as ps3 games, media center, and blu-ray playback appear to be the same across models. The things they took out are things like SACD and ps2 compatibility.

BIZILL

meanwhile i am in search of a USED 60 gig ps3. bad for sony because had they not taken away functionality i would have added another round of profit to their pocket. stupid sony.

steveducie

my PS2 took a crapper and i have so many PS2 games that i can't really see getting a PS3 and start all over again.at least if it was BC i can keep myself occupied playing the PS2 games while building my PS3 collection . the PS2 games are really not worth selling . i guess im buying a PS2 and waiting for Sony to come to there senses.

BIZILL

steveducie wrote: »

... waiting for Sony to come to there senses.

ain't gonna happen. search craigslist or ebay.

MikeC78

Look for the older 60g(personal choice) or the MGS4 pack that emulates most PS2 games.

steveducie

with Live.com i may be able to get the MSG4 Bundle for 450.00 shipped. im just concerned i=because id like to put it under the christmas tree and ebay returns can be a pain.