Hafler DH-101 preamplifier

ViperZ
ViperZ Posts: 2,046
edited October 2008 in Electronics
Hey all,

Finally built some kind of a 2-channel rig with Carver TFM-24 and Magneplanar MG-II... Now need to fix a preamp.

I need replacement potentiometers (yes, all 3) for the Hafler DH-101 preamplifier.
The problem is - the original build manual does not even say what kind of potentiometers those are - impedance is not listed, linear or logarithmic, etc.

The (Hafler) part numbers are: 164001 and 194001 (looks like a dual potentiometer, I don't have the original).

There are tons of potentiometers available through digikey and other suppliers, but I'll need to know the values first. I can make an educated guess (being an electrical engineer) and can check the values on DH-110 (already did, but it's a different pre)...

Thanks!
Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
Carada 106" Precision Series (Classic Cinema White)
Denon AVR-X3600H pre/pro
Outlaw 770 7-channel amplifier
B&W CDM1-SE fronts
B&W CDM-CNT center
B&W CDM1 rears on MoPADs
JBL SP8CII in-ceiling height speakers
Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HDTV tuner
DUAL NHT SubTwo subwoofers
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player
Belkin PF60 Power Center
Harmony 1100 RF remote with RF extender
Sony XBR-X950G 55" 4K HDR Smart TV + PS3 in the living room
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  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited September 2008
    Musical design/concepts might be able to help you with that.Contact john hillig. http://www.musicaldesign.com/contact_us.htm
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  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited September 2008
    fbm211 wrote: »
    Musical design/concepts might be able to help you with that.Contact john hillig. http://www.musicaldesign.com/contact_us.htm

    It's pretty amazing. After calling several places, John was the only person who had the parts and sounded very competent.

    Thank you!
    Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
    Carada 106" Precision Series (Classic Cinema White)
    Denon AVR-X3600H pre/pro
    Outlaw 770 7-channel amplifier
    B&W CDM1-SE fronts
    B&W CDM-CNT center
    B&W CDM1 rears on MoPADs
    JBL SP8CII in-ceiling height speakers
    Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HDTV tuner
    DUAL NHT SubTwo subwoofers
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player
    Belkin PF60 Power Center
    Harmony 1100 RF remote with RF extender
    Sony XBR-X950G 55" 4K HDR Smart TV + PS3 in the living room
  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited September 2008
    And if you ever need any mods done he is the person to talk to and do buisness with.Kind of expensive but I think you would get the best bang for the buck with his company.
    SDA-2BTL with custom IC
    Adcom 565 monoblocks--Monarchy Audio M-10 preamp
    Theta Data Basic Transport--Stello DA100 Signature DAC--Camelot Dragon Pro2 MK III
    Harman Kardon T-55c TT
    DH Labs Q-10 Signature Speaker Cables With Furez silver plated copper bananas
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver Reference AES/EBU
    Revelation Audio Labs Prophecy Cryo-Silver i2s digital cable
    4 Furutech FP-314Ag with FI-11cu Plugs/FI-11AG IECs--- Power Cords
    DH LABS REVELATIONS ICs-amps
    Revelation Audio Labs Paradise cryo-silver ICs-Source to pre
  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited September 2008
    Ordered the potentiometers and the whole whack of resistors and capacitors from digikey (recover the original tone circuit, and update power supply and signal path capacitors). Will update when the parts will arrive :).
    Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
    Carada 106" Precision Series (Classic Cinema White)
    Denon AVR-X3600H pre/pro
    Outlaw 770 7-channel amplifier
    B&W CDM1-SE fronts
    B&W CDM-CNT center
    B&W CDM1 rears on MoPADs
    JBL SP8CII in-ceiling height speakers
    Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HDTV tuner
    DUAL NHT SubTwo subwoofers
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player
    Belkin PF60 Power Center
    Harmony 1100 RF remote with RF extender
    Sony XBR-X950G 55" 4K HDR Smart TV + PS3 in the living room
  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,098
    edited September 2008
    I've had that Haf preamp.....it's a nice pre, however, for what you'd spend in parts to keep it running I gotta think that it would be better spent on a new pre. Don't get me wrong, I love David Hafler and his gift of making great gear on the cheap.....

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited September 2008
    TroyD wrote: »
    I've had that Haf preamp.....it's a nice pre, however, for what you'd spend in parts to keep it running I gotta think that it would be better spent on a new pre. Don't get me wrong, I love David Hafler and his gift of making great gear on the cheap.....

    BDT

    I kind of got carried away with all the parts buying, but I have heard and read a lot of good reviews regarding modded and unmodded Hafler DH-101. At least I will get a taste of Hafler gear before jumping onto something more expensive in the 2-channel world.

    Eventually, I will need a 2-channel preamp with a subwoofer output. I don't know if such thing even exists :confused:. I would love to hook up the Magnepan MG-II flat panel speakers together with Velodyne ULD-15, which I recently completely restored from literally pile of parts. Any advice on the preamp is definitely welcome!
    Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
    Carada 106" Precision Series (Classic Cinema White)
    Denon AVR-X3600H pre/pro
    Outlaw 770 7-channel amplifier
    B&W CDM1-SE fronts
    B&W CDM-CNT center
    B&W CDM1 rears on MoPADs
    JBL SP8CII in-ceiling height speakers
    Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HDTV tuner
    DUAL NHT SubTwo subwoofers
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player
    Belkin PF60 Power Center
    Harmony 1100 RF remote with RF extender
    Sony XBR-X950G 55" 4K HDR Smart TV + PS3 in the living room
  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited September 2008
    ViperZ wrote: »

    Eventually, I will need a 2-channel preamp with a subwoofer output.
    Do you just want a summed left and right output and or low pass filter for the Velo? These should already be integral to the Velos plate amp.
    If you wanted to add a hi pass filter to roll off the bass in the Maggies you could easily retrofit a simple op amp based filter circuit into the Haflers chassis.
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  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited September 2008
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Do you just want a summed left and right output and or low pass filter for the Velo? These should already be integral to the Velos plate amp.
    If you wanted to add a hi pass filter to roll off the bass in the Maggies you could easily retrofit a simple op amp based filter circuit into the Haflers chassis.

    GV, you're right - the ULD amp has a built-in low-pass filter, but it only has 2 line level inputs (no speaker level inputs).

    If I won't find the amp with a built-in 2.1 circuitry, I will follow your solution and will add an extra active low-pass filter to Hafler. It has tons of space inside - for the DH-102 additional phono stage, which I won't use.
    Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
    Carada 106" Precision Series (Classic Cinema White)
    Denon AVR-X3600H pre/pro
    Outlaw 770 7-channel amplifier
    B&W CDM1-SE fronts
    B&W CDM-CNT center
    B&W CDM1 rears on MoPADs
    JBL SP8CII in-ceiling height speakers
    Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HDTV tuner
    DUAL NHT SubTwo subwoofers
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player
    Belkin PF60 Power Center
    Harmony 1100 RF remote with RF extender
    Sony XBR-X950G 55" 4K HDR Smart TV + PS3 in the living room
  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited October 2008
    Question: has anyone built these preamps before? If so, how do you count the lug/terminal numbers on the switches(buttons)? The manual usually says "connect xxxx wire to lug #1 of SS switch". How do I know which lug is #1? Where is the reference to start counting on those switches?

    Thanks!

    ViperZ wrote: »
    Hey all,

    Finally built some kind of a 2-channel rig with Carver TFM-24 and Magneplanar MG-II... Now need to fix a preamp.

    I need replacement potentiometers (yes, all 3) for the Hafler DH-101 preamplifier.
    The problem is - the original build manual does not even say what kind of potentiometers those are - impedance is not listed, linear or logarithmic, etc.

    The (Hafler) part numbers are: 164001 and 194001 (looks like a dual potentiometer, I don't have the original).

    There are tons of potentiometers available through digikey and other suppliers, but I'll need to know the values first. I can make an educated guess (being an electrical engineer) and can check the values on DH-110 (already did, but it's a different pre)...

    Thanks!
    Panasonic PT-AE4000U projector for movies
    Carada 106" Precision Series (Classic Cinema White)
    Denon AVR-X3600H pre/pro
    Outlaw 770 7-channel amplifier
    B&W CDM1-SE fronts
    B&W CDM-CNT center
    B&W CDM1 rears on MoPADs
    JBL SP8CII in-ceiling height speakers
    Samsung DTB-H260F OTA HDTV tuner
    DUAL NHT SubTwo subwoofers
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player
    Belkin PF60 Power Center
    Harmony 1100 RF remote with RF extender
    Sony XBR-X950G 55" 4K HDR Smart TV + PS3 in the living room