First home theater purchase, please help me decide

Menasor
Menasor Posts: 283
edited September 2008 in Speakers
Hey guys,

This is the first time I'm buying components for a home theater setup. I have a pretty small space for my living room (roughly 12x14). I'm currently looking for a 5.1 setup with some nice towers for the fronts and reasonably small surrounds in the back; the reason for the small surrounds is that my couch is completely against the wall, and there's no room on the sides to put speakers. I'll have to mount them behind the couch. I'll be using this for Movies, Games, and a bit of Music too.

Here's what I've considered so far:


Front L/R: Monitor 50, 60, RTi8, RTiA5.
Center: CS10/CS1, CSi3
Receiver: Onkyo SR606/605 or SR706/705
Subwoofer: PSW10
Rears: ??


It kind of depends on what deals I can get for the Front speakers. I've seen the Monitor 50's go for $90 at Fry's, and the RTi8's go for $150 at Fry's as well. Too bad they weren't in black. :( I also see the RTiA5's on Ebay for around $470 shipped (which is a bit out of my price range).

I'm not sure what I can get for the rears as well. Something around 7-8" high max and someone flat would be nice.

Would the receivers be good enough for these speakers?

If you Gurus could recommend a setup that would suit me based on my room and my intended usage, that'd be great. I'd like to stay under $1000 for everything if I can.

Thanks in advance!

Fronts: Energy RC-70
Center: Energy RC-LCR
Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


Pics of my setup (click me)
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited September 2008
    How about buying a pair of Polk RTi10s directly from Polk, pair those up with a CSi5, FXi3s or whatever will match them from the new lineup and you have one hell of a system. As for sub you could go for new Polk model sub, or save for a better sub. Receiver Onkyo 805 would be bang for buck. I suggest you save more coin, I dont see you getting everything for under a grand. Definitely start with 10s.

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  • Menasor
    Menasor Posts: 283
    edited September 2008
    Sherardp wrote: »
    How about buying a pair of Polk RTi10s directly from Polk, pair those up with a CSi5, FXi3s or whatever will match them from the new lineup and you have one hell of a system. As for sub you could go for new Polk model sub, or save for a better sub. Receiver Onkyo 805 would be bang for buck. I suggest you save more coin, I dont see you getting everything for under a grand. Definitely start with 10s.

    http://stores.ebay.com/Polk-Audio-Direct_Home-Audio_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ153926419QQftidZ2QQtZkm

    Sounds like that would be quite the setup, but would the RTi10's be overkill for me? They seem to be over my budget as well.

    Fronts: Energy RC-70
    Center: Energy RC-LCR
    Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
    Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
    Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


    Pics of my setup (click me)
  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,233
    edited September 2008
    Menasor wrote: »
    Sounds like that would be quite the setup, but would the RTi10's be overkill for me? They seem to be over my budget as well.
    The difficulty owners sometimes complain about with RTi10 is that they seem to require a lot of power to really distinguish themselves compared to an RTi8 or similar speaker. You will not be budgeting for external amplifiers, so that would be of concern if I were in your situation.

    I do think you should look at the FX series surround speakers (since they are specifically designed to be wall mounted). Your problem with these will be price since they are not all that common used (or on eBay) AFIK.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/products/individual/surround/

    Check placement ideas on the link below, including page 9 of the PDF manual for the FXi A4 (third link).

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=78
    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/article.php?id=15
    http://www.polkaudio.com/downloads/manuals/home/RTi_CSiA6_A4_FXiA6_A4_MN.pdf

    Check ShopOnkyo for great deals on their refurbished products:

    http://www.shoponkyo.com/products.cfm?group_id=1&subcat=Receiver

    This thread on avsforum is a great place to start for quality Home Theater on a tight budget IMHO, $1,000 is still a lot of money to some people!

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=809777
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  • MADGSF
    MADGSF Posts: 603
    edited September 2008
    I second the Rti8 but as others will recommend you should listen to them if possible before deciding. I had similar layout issues in my last house and ended up with the in-ceiling speakers in my sig above and to both sides of the couch. The couch was against the rear wall and I was very happy with that set up.
    AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
    Amplifier: B&K 7250 Series ii
    Misc: Velodyne SMS-1
    Mains: RTi-10
    Center: CSi-5
    Rear: Boston DSi460
    Sub: SVS PC-Ultra
    TV: Panasonic TC-P58V10
    DVD: Panasonic DMP-BD60K
  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited September 2008
    RTI a5's (fronts)
    CSI a4 (center)
    FXI a4 (surrounds)

    Should sound great with a decent sub. I would get the Onkyo 705 (pre-outs) because you might get the upgrade bug and decide to go with bigger speakers and a amp later down the road.
  • Menasor
    Menasor Posts: 283
    edited September 2008
    Thanks for the replies guys.

    What's a good sub I can get for around $200? Doesn't need to be super big or strong, but just needs to compliment either a setup with RTi8's or RTi A5's well.

    Fronts: Energy RC-70
    Center: Energy RC-LCR
    Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
    Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
    Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


    Pics of my setup (click me)
  • Menasor
    Menasor Posts: 283
    edited September 2008
    Here is a setup I came up with based on suggestions:


    Front L/R: Polk RTi8
    Center: Polk CSi3
    Rear: Polk FXi A4
    Receiver: Onkyo SR705
    Sub: Polk PSW505


    That'll run me around $1300-1400 so I guess I'll have to save up a bit more. How's the PSW505 as a sub?

    Fronts: Energy RC-70
    Center: Energy RC-LCR
    Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
    Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
    Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


    Pics of my setup (click me)
  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited September 2008
    Menasor wrote: »
    Here is a setup I came up with based on suggestions:


    Front L/R: Polk RTi8
    Center: Polk CSi3
    Rear: Polk FXi A4
    Receiver: Onkyo SR705
    Sub: Polk PSW505


    That'll run me around $1300-1400 so I guess I'll have to save up a bit more. How's the PSW505 as a sub?

    PSW505 is an OK sub. It is a good sub for the money. You can get it for under 300 bucks.
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
  • curved
    curved Posts: 664
    edited September 2008
    Menasor wrote: »
    Here is a setup I came up with based on suggestions:


    Front L/R: Polk RTi8
    Center: Polk CSi3
    Rear: Polk FXi A4
    Receiver: Onkyo SR705
    Sub: Polk PSW505


    That'll run me around $1300-1400 so I guess I'll have to save up a bit more. How's the PSW505 as a sub?

    Do you really need a sub right away? I would get everything that you listed and hold off on a sub until you can afford something a little better. You may even catch a good deal on a used sub for a good price in the future. I think you will be plenty happy with what you listed for a little bit....... ;)
    Living Room:....................[HTML] [/HTML] Zone 2 (Workout Room):
    AVR - Yamaha RX-V757......JBL 4312 Pro Monitors
    Pre - Nak CA-5
    AMP - Adcom 555 (Main)
    Main - Polk RTI8**/RTiA5
    AMP - Adcom 545II (Center)
    Center - Polk CSiA4**
    Sub - Snell Basis 300:p......Zone 3 (Outside)
    CD - Yamaha CDC-555.......Def Tech AW5500
    TV - Pani TH-42PZ80U
    BR - LG BD390
    Monster HTS1600 Power Center
    Dedicated Circuit - (2) 20amp, (1) 15amp
    Ben's IC, Canare 4S11

    **Dayton and Sonicap Caps with Mills Resistors**
  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited September 2008
    Menasor wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies guys.

    What's a good sub I can get for around $200? Doesn't need to be super big or strong, but just needs to compliment either a setup with RTi8's or RTi A5's well.

    I have a POLK PSW 125 12 inch sub for sale. $200 shipped. It's in perfect condition.

    psw125.jpg
    Driver Complement
    Subwoofer 1 - 12" Diameter (30.48cm)
    Dynamic Balance Composite Cone


    Loud & Low Specs(CEA2010)
    Low 118 db
    Ultra 90.5 db


    Electrical
    Overall Frequency Response 32Hz-225Hz
    Lower -3dB Limit 38 Hz
    Crossover
    (subwoofer) 60Hz-110Hz
    Inputs Speaker level spring terminals, Line level L&R, LFE line level (unfiltered)
    Outputs Speaker level spring terminals


    Dimensions
    Cabinet Size 16-1/2" H x 16-1/4" W x 19-1/8" D
    (41.91cm H x 41.27cm W x 48.58cm D)
    Enclosure Type
    (subwoofer) Vented, Downward Firing Port


    Power Output 150 watts Continuous Average Output
    Dynamic Power Output 300 watts
    Available in 220V? Yes


    Shipping/Other
    Product Weight 40.10 lbs. (18.19kgs)
    Shipping unit: each
    Speaker Warranty 5 years parts and labor (original purchaser)
    Subwoofer Amplifier Warranty 3 year parts and labor (original purchaser)
  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,233
    edited September 2008
    The H100 is considered one of the best subs around for under $250. You can get it on Amazon.com, but there are also "official" vendors selling it on eBay. It is a fabulous entry level home theater sub, IMHO. Perhaps not as fabulous for music, especially if you listen to classic stuff.

    http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=1&type=8&spkrID=26
    Alea jacta est!
  • Menasor
    Menasor Posts: 283
    edited September 2008
    Wow looks like people are raving for that H100 in this price range. I think I'll go with that.

    Quick question: How much better is the CSi5 compared to the CSi3? Worth double the price tag?


    leroy: Thanks for the offer; I think I'm gonna go with the H100 though.

    Fronts: Energy RC-70
    Center: Energy RC-LCR
    Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
    Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
    Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


    Pics of my setup (click me)
  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited September 2008
    Menasor wrote: »
    leroy: Thanks for the offer; I think I'm gonna go with the H100 though.
    :eek:
  • curved
    curved Posts: 664
    edited September 2008
    If you have the room, get the CSi5. This center is NOT SMALL but is one hell of a center!!!
    Living Room:....................[HTML] [/HTML] Zone 2 (Workout Room):
    AVR - Yamaha RX-V757......JBL 4312 Pro Monitors
    Pre - Nak CA-5
    AMP - Adcom 555 (Main)
    Main - Polk RTI8**/RTiA5
    AMP - Adcom 545II (Center)
    Center - Polk CSiA4**
    Sub - Snell Basis 300:p......Zone 3 (Outside)
    CD - Yamaha CDC-555.......Def Tech AW5500
    TV - Pani TH-42PZ80U
    BR - LG BD390
    Monster HTS1600 Power Center
    Dedicated Circuit - (2) 20amp, (1) 15amp
    Ben's IC, Canare 4S11

    **Dayton and Sonicap Caps with Mills Resistors**
  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited September 2008
  • Menasor
    Menasor Posts: 283
    edited September 2008
    Thanks for the replies guys. Anyone know where I can get a pair of FXi3's in black for a good price? I only see them available in white.

    Fronts: Energy RC-70
    Center: Energy RC-LCR
    Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
    Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
    Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


    Pics of my setup (click me)
  • Menasor
    Menasor Posts: 283
    edited September 2008
    Btw, what speaker wires are you guys using for your RTi 8's?

    Fronts: Energy RC-70
    Center: Energy RC-LCR
    Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
    Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
    Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


    Pics of my setup (click me)
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited September 2008
    Menasor wrote: »
    Btw, what speaker wires are you guys using for your RTi 8's?

    I recommend signalcable, or AudioQuest type 4's.
    The AQ's first choice;)
    Ben
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited September 2008
    I am running regular 12awg wire and it sounds good. Not a big fan of $300 speaker wire for HT especially for RTI 8's. 2 channel I use signal cable ($125)with my Adcom and LSI speakers.
  • Menasor
    Menasor Posts: 283
    edited September 2008
    Thanks for the recommendation leroy. I just picked up some 12awg speaker wire from BlueJeans.

    I'm gonna start off with a 3.1 until I move into a house with a room better suited for 5.1. Just ordered the RTi8's, SR705, and will be picking up either the CSi3 or 5 soon (still undecided) as well as the BIC Acoustech H-100.

    Fronts: Energy RC-70
    Center: Energy RC-LCR
    Surrounds: Energy Veritas 1.0CM
    Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR705
    Amplifier: Denon POA-2200 w/ Ben's ICs


    Pics of my setup (click me)