Am I just a jerk or is e-bay full of crazy sellers.
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Allow me to stop you there.bobman1235 wrote: »Here's a little tip for people - if you don't like the way a company does business, and want people to listen to you and take your opinion seriously, don't say outrageous things like "they're a legalized criminal organization."
^^^What he said^^^ and like I said, this is just the tip of the iceburg. If I were a criminal, I would sure enough be using Flea-Prey as a catalyst for my operations. It would be way too easy. What Solid Squal just told you is part of the criminal activity that somehow is still being allowed to go on today. I have uncovered such an operation, reported it and guess what? They are still selling. This is not just with counterfeit rings either.SolidSqual wrote: »Not to doubt your credibility or the guy we are discussing on ebay, but when I used to work in an anti-counterfeiting office, we often dealt with ebayers who were in a ring of counterfeiters that quickly bought items from one another for small sums with no real exchange of cash except to satisfy ebay fees. They did this hundreds of times in days to quickly build amazing feedback. Then they would scam the **** out of some unlucky person looking to buy some authentic wares.
Complete A'holes.
Now knowing what I know about Pay-Pal and Flea-Prey, if I choose to lose "credibility" as you say because I voice my opinion [knowledge], then that's my choice. I know what they are, I know what they do and I stand by my words. They are legalized criminal organizations.
Ah, crap. Just lost more credibility. :rolleyes:~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Like all online purchases, do your homework. There's good deals and bad deals on EBAY.
It is much safer here, but still not always a sure thing. We just self-police a bit better than EBAY!"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Allow me to stop you there.
^^^What he said^^^ and like I said, this is just the tip of the iceburg. If I were a criminal, I would sure enough be using Flea-Prey as a catalyst for my operations. It would be way too easy. What Solid Squal just told you is part of the criminal activity that somehow is still being allowed to go on today. I have uncovered such an operation, reported it and guess what? They are still selling. This is not just with counterfeit rings either.
Now knowing what I know about Pay-Pal and Flea-Prey, if I choose to lose "credibility" as you say because I voice my opinion [knowledge], then that's my choice. I know what they are, I know what they do and I stand by my words. They are legalized criminal organizations.
Ah, crap. Just lost more credibility. :rolleyes:
It wasn't an insult. Seriously. If someone with any intelligence came in with no knowledge of you or eBay, and saw a claim like "they're a criminal organization", they're going to discount you as a nut and not read what is probably a well-reasoned argument.
Maybe they're negligent, maybe there are a lot of "criminals" in their midst, but they're a normal corporation out to make money, and I'm sure they're doing it legally even if some of their members are not.
Calling eBay a "criminal organization" is like calling Polk "a bunch of idiots" because a few of the members of their message boards are idiots.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
BaggedLancer wrote: »Don't like ebay? Don't use it.
Don't like paypal? Don't use it.
I use both and have never had an issue. Paypal makes selling things 10x easier for me so the fee is worth it. Never had an issue, even shipping internationally.
I gotta agree with ya..have been using both buying and selling for over 400 transactions and have never had a problem recieving or sending money...cash always transfered out into bank account quickly..... -
I think a majority of the problems people have isn't because of the services being offered, it's because of their ability and knowing of use to use the services correctly or incompletely.
For example, someone who decides to buy something on ebay and pay via a check or money order, has ZERO proof whatsoever if the seller decides not to ship the item and claims they never received the payment. Thus leaving one very pissed off buyer feeling stranded because "Ebay" let them down and caused them to lose money. This causes the buyer to write about the "ebay and paypal horror stories" we hear about on the internet.
Example 2. You're an ebay seller and sell an item to someone who decides to pay with Paypal. You decide to ship the item with the post office who doesn't offer tracking information on Parcel Post or you ship with UPS directly at the UPS store. The person claims that the item is not received and despite having a "receipt" to show that you shipped some package to that zip code, there is no way to verify if it was delivered. If you lost your UPS receipt, you don't have a way to track the package to verify it was delivered and therefore Paypal finds fault with you and gives the buyer back their money and we read about "ebay and paypal horror stories" on the internet.
Now, in both cases, had the ebay and paypal been used completely, there would have bene no issues. In the first case, if the person paid with paypal and the seller couldn't furnish tracking information, paypal would find fault with the seller and refund the money, causing no loss to the buyer. The seller could have easily avoided this had they used Paypal's shipping option which doesn't allow for packages to be sent without delivery confirmation or tracking information. In the second example, had the seller used Paypal's shipping service, Paypal would have the tracking information on record of where the package was shipped to, when it was shipped and when/if it was delivered. If it's in transit the claim is dismissed.
The system actually works for the most part guys, it's just a matter of how you use it. If you use the services it actually works......no joke. -
The problem people **** about is the follow up. Ebay and Paypal are
your typical online/low overhead outfits. They could do more hands on,
but that would cost money. If only 1% of users are pissed off, 99%
are still happy and spending money. Sad, but true. There really isn't a
lot of incentive to improve the service until the income takes a hit from
lost customers. And normally by the time guys like this notice the lost revenue,
they suddenly are bleeding red and have no clue how to fix it until it's too late.
It's a cycle that comes and goes. A little effort up front to prevent
problems will pay off, since just one bum transaction on EBAY can really
screw you up. Hence the strong negative reactions from some members."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
The system actually works for the most part guys, it's just a matter of how you use it. If you use the services it actually works......no joke.
The first time you sell something on ebay, and the buyer reverses the PayPal charges on their credit card, you will chage your mind. Since the charge was from PayPal, and not you, you will not be involved in the dispute process at all. You probably won't even be aware of it until PayPal pulls the money from your account, or puts your account in the negative.
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Um, I've used ebay over 250 times, no issues. Only way I could see a reversal from a credit card dispute is if you didn't something.
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BaggedLancer wrote: »Um, I've used ebay over 250 times, no issues. Only way I could see a reversal from a credit card dispute is if you didn't something.
I'm not talking about a buyer that goes through a PayPal dispute. I'm talking about a buyer who calls his credit card company and disputes the charge. If the credit card does not hear from the vendor, in this case PayPal within 30 days, the case is automatically decided in the customers favor, and there is no requirement to return the item.
The company I work for has used PayPal thousands of times, and this has happened to us.A Paypal rep told me that they do not have time to investigate or respond to all credit card disputes. That means you lose.
The only time you are really protected using PayPal, is if your the buyer, and you fund your PayPal patment with a credit card. Anything else is risky. -
10-4. I can agree to that. Duly noted.bobman1235 wrote: »It wasn't an insult. Seriously. If someone with any intelligence came in with no knowledge of you or eBay, and saw a claim like "they're a criminal organization", they're going to discount you as a nut and not read what is probably a well-reasoned argument.
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
ok, paypal is replete with suckiocity.
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ok, paypal is replete with suckiocity.
stands to reason though, very simple logic that an organization based upon shaded activity would attract people with criminal tendancies, too bad for the honest folks who get caught up in the melee. The internet equivalent of the dark man standing hidden in the doorway whispering to you.
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bobman1235 wrote: »It wasn't an insult. Seriously. If someone with any intelligence came in with no knowledge of you or eBay, and saw a claim like "they're a criminal organization", they're going to discount you as a nut and not read what is probably a well-reasoned argument.
Maybe they're negligent, maybe there are a lot of "criminals" in their midst, but they're a normal corporation out to make money, and I'm sure they're doing it legally even if some of their members are not.
Calling eBay a "criminal organization" is like calling Polk "a bunch of idiots" because a few of the members of their message boards are idiots.
I pretty much have to agree with everything you said in this thread. I've used ebay a lot and I've only had two problems. If you keep going to the same place for 200+ transactions, its going to happen sooner or later, someone is going to mess up. No ones perfect.
And please stop using flea-prey...thats the stupidest **** ive ever heard of.
-CodyMusic is like candy, you have to get rid of the rappers to enjoy it -
Sorry Cody, I can no longer refer to that company as E-[whatever]. I just can't bring myself to do it. Situations just like these are why..........and I know of MANY.......I just learned of this 3 minutes ago. :mad:
"I bought a digital camera for our son, who graduated army basic, before his deployment overseas. I received a different model, one that retails for $100 LESS than what I paid. He'd already opened it and liked it; becasue it was black and the one I'd ordered, although better in most ways, was silver.
So, a few emails back and forth with an arrogant seller, and he quit responding, so I left neg feedback and filed a paypal claim (significantly not as described). Just got an email from paypal, and after three days of their most concentrated deliberation, they've decided that this bait and switch does NOT fit their definition of 'item significantly not as described"
so I paid $100 too much, and in fact could have got the same unit BRAND new for $100 less"
**** like this happens everyday on Flea-Prey. Does it stop? No. :mad:~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
